Pope Francis awards architect of safe-abortion fund pontifical honor

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Why are Catholics such ostriches?? You bury your heads in the sand at any danger! Popes are NOT perfect and holy men. Recognize that your clergy can do and DOES do wrong! It’s this mentality of protecting the clergy at all costs that allowed the abuse scandal to continue for so long.

Pope Francis awarding a notorious aborrionist is wrong plain and simple.
 
My take on it is that the medal is more of a fancy souvenir, somewhat special but only offered due to the company kept — part of an official delegation.

Nevertheless it gives opportunity for people to misrepresent it for their own purposes as shown in this case by the recipient and reporters.
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Well, if this is indeed true, perhaps they need to reconsider this “standard diplomatic practice” going forward in the future. Pope Francis has in the past discarded other long held traditions and practices when it has suited his purposes; perhaps this can be the next one.
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I tend to agree. I don’t think the Pope has done anything wrong, should not be expected to investigate every person gifted with a “souvenir.”
 
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Does the little “3” on your link mean (only) three people have read the linked article? I read it and found it informative. Thanks. 👍

Vatican responses clearly describe context.
Ms. Ploumen’s two interviews tell contrary perspectives.

Whose version do we support — that of the Pope or Ms. Ploumen?

(@DustThouArt Attractive trinket btw.)
 
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Ostriches in the sense that as Crocus posted not every one reads so feel included in our " Ostrich" family. 😃

Regression posted the answer. Let us get our heads up and read.

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In comments given Monday evening, Paloma García Ovejero, deputy spokesperson of the Holy See Press Office, said the honor awarded to Lilianne Plouman — as Commander in the Pontifical Equestrian Order of St. Gregory the Great — was part of an exchange of honors between delegations after she took part in an official state visit to the Vatican last year of Dutch King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima.

In response to a question on whether the Vatican could confirm the honor and, if so, why Ploumen received it, Garcia said:

“The honor of the Pontifical Order of St. Gregory the Great received by Mrs. Lilianne Ploumen, former Minister of Development, in June 2017 during the visit of the Dutch Royals to the Holy Father, responds to the diplomatic practice of the exchange of honors between delegations on the occasion of official visits by Heads of State or Government in the Vatican.

Therefore, it is not in the slightest a placet [an expression of assent] to the politics in favor of abortion and of birth control that Mrs Ploumen promotes.”
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Here is more info:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ician-a-matter-of-protocol-vatican-says-73221

Sounds like 1) someone at the Vatican could have denied the medal to her if they researched her a bit, so maybe someone dropped the ball and 2) She present the award to mean more than what it is, a ceremonial “trinket”. From the article above:
In the interview, the Dutch politician presented the decoration as a personal award, and said that while her the pro-abortion campaign ““was not mentioned” as the reason for the decoration, but, she said, “the Vatican knows that I founded ‘She decides’, but this did not prevent them from awarding me.”
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TheLittleLady said:
As I opend the thread I said to myself “bet this is LifeSite”. Please, do not read this source. They are not reliable.
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Nonsense. They are as reliable as any other source, and more than most, these days.

There appears to be another coordinated attack on the reliability of LifeSite. People need to read the articles for themselves instead of relying on the current “buzz” or “razz.”
 
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TheLittleLady said:
As I opend the thread I said to myself “bet this is LifeSite”. Please, do not read this source. They are not reliable.
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“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
Saul Alinsky
Rules for Radicals
 
Is it bad I long for a pope like Pius XIII in the HBO show? Little more hard line? I understand it was a “matter of protocol” but, protocol be damned. People like her have no business being honored by the Vatican even if it is just ceremonial and doesn’t mean anything.
 
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It’s sad that there is only one click on this article and 15 on the LifeSiteNews article. If anyone is interested in looking at this story from a more reasonable vantage point, please read the CNA article.

Just because this actually happened doesn’t mean there are not better and worse ways to tell the story. You can either frame the story as “Heretic Pope Francis personally bestows prestigious papal honor on zealous pro-abortion leader” (as LSN has done). Or you can frame it as “Vatican office makes error in due diligence before exchanging honorary titles as matter of diplomatic protocol” (as CNA has done). Those are vastly different ways of looking at it. LifeSiteNews almost always opts for the former approach without ever stopping to consider whether there are more reasonable, less salacious ways of looking at the story. That’s why many of us have a problem with them. It’s not that there are not some basic facts that are true. It’s the spin they put upon it.

Was it probably a mistake for the Vatican to give this to her? Sure. Does this signify that the Pope is secretly a pro-choice activist seeking to undermine Catholic moral teaching? Not in the slightest.

The Vatican is a big operation that juggles a lot of these types of things. Sometimes, things slip through the cracks (like when Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication of one of the SSPX bishops without realizing he was a Holocaust denier). This doesn’t signify that the gates of hell are prevailing over the Church. It only means that those in the Vatican are human and not omniscient. They make mistakes. We don’t need to get out the pitchforks every time that happens.
 
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THere isn’t. It is not like the story isn’t true. Lifesite of course puts their own slant on the story but so does every other site.
 
I’m not sure why you feel this way. Certainly the stories that they write are easily confirmed. Which stories are not credible?
 
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I’m not sure why you feel this way. Certainly the stories that they write are easily confirmed. Which stories are not credible?
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From the couple I’ve seen presented here recently, the “factual events” in the story tend to be right, but the peripheral issues such as “motivation”, “intent”, etc, which are important to the overall message, tend to be poorly captured. I can see why people would criticize what comes across as a bias.
 
They lean right, I agree with that bias. I’d hardly call them extreme right.
 
As a test, I am going to predict that they soon run with a story about the Bishop of Little Rock.
 
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