Pope Francis Calls for Reform in Liturgical Music

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Sunday morning. When I grew up the 7:00 am sunday mass was a no singing mass. Loved it. I could also walk to Mass.
 
blackforest said:
I don’t know that mindful music has to mean, “Drop everything and do Gregorian chants.”
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Definitely not, but it could mean “from time to time incorporate Chant”. Our schola rotates around different parishes. So none of the parishes get all chant, all the time, it ends up being a treat for them once or so a year. It keeps the tradition alive, and it is not overbearing for the parishioners, plus it gives their regular choir a much-needed break. From the comments we get it seems much appreciated.
 
Please think about the following words.

Even if you hate to sing and hate singing in general, please think about all the people around you who love Christian music and take great comfort and encouragement and joy in the singing of the hymns. The Mass is not about just one person.

And please think about this–for many Christians, certain hymns have deep meaning. Perhaps that hymn was sung at their confirmation, or at a youth conference where they first made a serious, full-understanding commitment to God. Or perhaps it was sung at a loved one’s funeral. Even if YOU hate a hymn, there are others who love it and take solace from it. The Mass is not about just one person.

And please think about this–even if YOU hate to sing, some of us dearly love to sing, and always have a song in our hearts and often on our lips (even at work)! I am one of those people, and so is my husband and both my daughters. To me, other than receiving Jesus in Holy Communion, the best part of Mass is when I get to either sing or play (piano or organ),. I’m not a great singer, but I know how to sing properly, so it is a pleasure, not a pain, for me to sing. And I’m NOT showing off by singing with a full voice and a smile–I am doing what King David, Miriam (Moses’ sister), and Mary, and many others did in the Bible–singing praise to the Lord God with all my heart.

The Mass is not just about one person. As John the Baptist said, “He must increase, I must decrease.” When we think about all the others at Mass instead of our personal preferences, and when we HONOR all those others and their preferences in our hearts, we will end up most blessed and joyful.

Try it this way for a while.
 
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No i wont think about it. If all those people love to sing, then they can sing. I am not trying to stop them. Stop trying to control me.

Reminds me of this old man that would on purpose get behind me at mass so when the sign of peace time came he would tap me on the shoulder and I would ignore him. I finally told him if he keeps touching me I was going to break his arm off. He felt it was his duty to get him to give the sign of peace. He never again got around me at mass.
 
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I’m not trying to control you, and neither was that old man. We are trying to teach you.

I’m frankly horrified that you would threaten an older man with physical violence. (I’m assuming that you are younger than him–forgive me if I’m incorrect.).

You do know that the Sign of Peace (or the Kiss of Peace) is described in the New Testament by the apostles?

Jesus Himself taught that if we want to leave our gift at the altar, and realize that we have something against someone, or they have something against us, that we need to leave the altar and go and make peace RIGHT AWAY with our brother.

So to want to pursge the Sign of Peace from the Mass would be to get rid of something that both the apostles and Jesus taught us to do.
 
This old man followed me around each week for about 30 weeks. he was about 15 years older than me. I told him on several occasions to leave me alone. It become clear that he wasnt going to stop harassing me. On several occasions he tried to kiss my wife, I had to block him from doing that. He like you believe that you have some religious right to my private space. I dont like people touching me. I allow only a few people to touch me. I can count them on one hand. If you havent known me for at least 35 years youre not one of them. Most Americans have a personal space of about 12 to 14 inchs. Mines is about 18 to 24 inches. I think the sign of peace is a dumb practice. but it is not up to me to get rid of it. I just done have to do it. I found out later he did this to several wives in the church. so no id ont feel bad one single bit. My dad raised a man not a snowflake. I can promise you that youre there is nothing you can teach me about the faith. Not one single thing
 
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So there were more issues with this older man than just “the Sign of Peace.”

We can ALL learn from anyone in the Church at any time in our lives. We never reach a point where we can’t learn more about our faith from each other.
 
Peeps said:
I’m not trying to control you, and neither was that old man. We are trying to teach you.
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Peeps, respectfully, why do you bother? Seems like there are no more “shoulder chips” for others. One person here has them all! Just know that Jesus’ “new” commandment (John 13:34) has not been learned yet.
 
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We cannot judge this from afar, nor from close based on one slip in charity. Not everyone know how to deal with those who are… difficult, less than normal, etc.
 
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pnewton said:
We cannot judge this from afar, nor from close based on one slip in charity. Not everyone know how to deal with those who are… difficult, less than normal, etc.
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True, but reading the comments of late, there is more than “one slip in charity” here. It just gives us old grouchy men a bad name! LOL!
 
Nor should trying to molest other people wives. I moved to a new state but my understanding is that he was told since he had become such a problem that he was no longer welcome due to him pawing other peoples wives.
 
I go to the Traditional Latin Mass on Sunday… I hope Pope Francis would be satisfied. Songs like Kyrie XI (Orbis Factor) are beautiful.

I wish I could say the same for my territorial parish on Sundays… there’s a reason why I only enjoy daily Mass there. :confused:
 
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