Pope Francis comments "Arab invasion"

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The following skinny article in Bloomberg comments on an Italian language article from the L’Osservatore Romano:
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-04/pope-francis-refers-to-arab-invasion-as-a-social-reality

I wonder why the only Catholic source I managed to find featuring the Holy Father’s speech to a French Christian group is this:
osservatoreromano.va/it/news/il-papa-e-i-pesci-rosa

I couldn’t even find the meeting mentioned on the Vatican website…

Anyone knows anything about this?

Any comments on what Pope Francis said?

Many thanks
 
Trying to find a transcript of the entire address. The snippets are not enough to garner context. I see no good coming to Europe from this influx of refugees.
 
Once again, our Holy Father is challenging us, and I am at a loss to understand. A couple of questions that come to my mind…

How could he see the forced mass immigration of so many poor people from a civilization that continues to show it’s abject hatred for Western values as a good thing?

Does he honestly believe that good can come out of this disaster? Have we actually seen any, ANY good come out of this that would lead him to believe that this is going to work out well?

Does the Pope believe that countries have the right to defend their borders, values and cultures, or should we do away with borders altogether?

Does the Pope believe the proverb - give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime?, because someday, the West will run out of fish to feed the poor and then we will all be in the same boat. He/we, must teach these people how to fish!
 
jimcav said:
Once again, our Holy Father is challenging us, and I am at a loss to understand. A couple of questions that come to my mind…
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How could he see the forced mass immigration of so many poor people from a civilization that continues to show it’s abject hatred for Western values as a good thing?
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Does he honestly believe that good can come out of this disaster? Have we actually seen any, ANY good come out of this that would lead him to believe that this is going to work out well?

Does the Pope believe that countries have the right to defend their borders, values and cultures, or should we do away with borders altogether?
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Here are some of the countries whose governments, media, most of their educational systems, show evidence of “abject hatred of Western (Christian) values”:
England, France, Germany, Holland, United States, Canada…
 
jimcav said:
Once again, our Holy Father is challenging us, and I am at a loss to understand. A couple of questions that come to my mind…

How could he see the forced mass immigration of so many poor people from a civilization that continues to show it’s abject hatred for Western values as a good thing?

Does he honestly believe that good can come out of this disaster? Have we actually seen any, ANY good come out of this that would lead him to believe that this is going to work out well?

Does the Pope believe that countries have the right to defend their borders, values and cultures, or should we do away with borders altogether?

Does the Pope believe the proverb - give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime?, because someday, the West will run out of fish to feed the poor and then we will all be in the same boat. He/we, must teach these people how to fish!
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Maybe the Islamic invasion can wake people up from their secular srupor?
 
KEP1983 said:
Maybe the Islamic invasion can wake people up from their secular srupor?
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It might, but so far it hasn’t.

It takes leadership, and we haven’t seen much of that on this situation from our secular or religious leaders.

A modified for our times Pope Urban II speech from Clermont is in order, but as we can see from Pope Francis’s comments, we are not likely to hear that anytime soon. Urban rallied and excited Catholics to Crusade in a most rousing way -

donparrish.com/EssayPopeUrban.html

PS - I am not looking for a crusade, (yet) but a rallying policy, and an awakening to our demise is certainly in order…
 
KEP1983 said:
Maybe the Islamic invasion can wake people up from their secular srupor?
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Wake them up to what? An invasion of Muslims who hate them? I don’t think it is a good approach to waking people up from secularism. Instead it will only make people hate all religions even more. Secularism will spread as a result. No one is rallying behind Christianity.
 
jimcav said:
Once again, our Holy Father is challenging us, and I am at a loss to understand. A couple of questions that come to my mind…

How could he see the forced mass immigration of so many poor people from a civilization that continues to show it’s abject hatred for Western values as a good thing?

Does he honestly believe that good can come out of this disaster? Have we actually seen any, ANY good come out of this that would lead him to believe that this is going to work out well?

Does the Pope believe that countries have the right to defend their borders, values and cultures, or should we do away with borders altogether?

Does the Pope believe the proverb - give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime?, because someday, the West will run out of fish to feed the poor and then we will all be in the same boat. He/we, must teach these people how to fish!
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Mongo said:
Wake them up to what? An invasion of Muslims who hate them?
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Muslims hate them? Perhaps this is the error in reasoning. If Muslims really hated everyone, then it would be a problem. Muslims do not hate, as a rule.
 
Peter Kreeft used the term Ecumenical Jihad years ago. Those who thing Islam is our biggest enemy do not understand the more insidious lure of secular humanism. It is not violent. We are not in danger of losing our life in this world, but of our soul in the next.
 
pnewton said:
Peter Kreeft used the term Ecumenical Jihad years ago. Those who thing Islam is our biggest enemy do not understand the more insidious lure of secular humanism. It is not violent. We are not in danger of losing our life in this world, but of our soul in the next.
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Personally I think both Islam and secularism are huge enemies; for me it is not either or.
 
Mongo said:
Wake them up to what? An invasion of Muslims who hate them? I don’t think it is a good approach to waking people up from secularism. Instead it will only make people hate all religions even more. Secularism will spread as a result. No one is rallying behind Christianity.
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Some Muslims do hate Christians, and Christianity as such.

I believe many more hate the brutal hedonism, materialism, obsession with sex, worship of pleasure, that characterizes much of Western Europe and the US. They don’t understand the massive acceptance of legal abortion and gay marriage, even by people identified as Christians. I am guessing the percentage of Muslims entering Western countries who favor legal abortion and gay marriage is less than the percentages you would find among American college graduates, including graduates of most “Catholic” and “Protestant” colleges.

Muslim immigrants are likely to have a healthy distrust for the lying media, which is so trusted by most people in the West. They may be less likely to align with the enemies of Catholicism than the average person born here.

Our task is to get to know them as individuals. Show them that yes, their perceptions are partly right, many Western countries today are, in part, a cesspool. Yes, some Christian institutions have gone along with the secularism. But the Catholic Church - those in union with the Magisterium - still do stand for some absolutes of morality, which they will respect, and absolutes of truth. People seeking to leave the Mideast to go to historically Christian countries are less likely to be hateful of Christians than people who are staying there. They may be less hateful of Christianity than people born here who dominate the media.
 
commenter said:
Some Muslims do hate Christians, and Christianity as such.

I believe many more hate the brutal hedonism, materialism, obsession with sex, worship of pleasure, that characterizes much of Western Europe and the US. They don’t understand the massive acceptance of legal abortion and gay marriage, even by people identified as Christians. I am guessing the percentage of Muslims entering Western countries who favor legal abortion and gay marriage is less than the percentages you would find among American college graduates, including graduates of most “Catholic” and “Protestant” colleges.

Muslim immigrants are likely to have a healthy distrust for the lying media, which is so trusted by most people in the West. They may be less likely to align with the enemies of Catholicism than the average person born here.

Our task is to get to know them as individuals. Show them that yes, their perceptions are partly right, many Western countries today are, in part, a cesspool. Yes, some Christian institutions have gone along with the secularism. But the Catholic Church - those in union with the Magisterium - still do stand for some absolutes of morality, which they will respect, and absolutes of truth. People seeking to leave the Mideast to go to historically Christian countries are less likely to be hateful of Christians than people who are staying there. They may be less hateful of Christianity than people born here who dominate the media.
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Those that hate us, hate us because we are the infidels, the unbelievers. They would as easily bomb a monastery full of priests at prayer, as they would a strip club full of drunks. It matters not a whit if we are good or bad, religious or atheist, secular or devout, we are all infidels.

Please stop making excuses for 7th century savagery and please stop blaming the victim…
 
Islam and secular humanism are both enemies of the church and the truth. Secularism isn’t more of an enemy, and I wouldn’t recruit Muslims as allies against humanism or secularism. Not all Muslims are bad, but there is a large proportion that are not extremists who support the ideas on fngroups like Isis. Either way, I wouldn’t invite them in to transform western culture into middle eastern Muslim culture.
 
Maybe someone could explain to me why there are so many refugees coming out of the middle east. And what sort of people are behind it, and for what reason?
 
commenter said:
Some Muslims do hate Christians, and Christianity as such.

I believe many more hate the brutal hedonism, materialism, obsession with sex, worship of pleasure, that characterizes much of Western Europe and the US. They don’t understand the massive acceptance of legal abortion and gay marriage, even by people identified as Christians. I am guessing the percentage of Muslims entering Western countries who favor legal abortion and gay marriage is less than the percentages you would find among American college graduates, including graduates of most “Catholic” and “Protestant” colleges.

Muslim immigrants are likely to have a healthy distrust for the lying media, which is so trusted by most people in the West. They may be less likely to align with the enemies of Catholicism than the average person born here.

Our task is to get to know them as individuals. Show them that yes, their perceptions are partly right, many Western countries today are, in part, a cesspool. Yes, some Christian institutions have gone along with the secularism. But the Catholic Church - those in union with the Magisterium - still do stand for some absolutes of morality, which they will respect, and absolutes of truth. People seeking to leave the Mideast to go to historically Christian countries are less likely to be hateful of Christians than people who are staying there. They may be less hateful of Christianity than people born here who dominate the media.
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Perhaps one can name a Christian country to aspire too. Jesus tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Caritas. Charity.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

The USA is near the top, Netherlands and the UK are in the top 10. Even if one wants to discard these countries as not being Christian, charity is a value Christians have.

What countries should we aspire to be like please who are not high on this list of giving to the least of our brothers? So, the West also, overwhelmingly is represented on charitable giving lists to help the poor. A Christian value.
 
It is also said, charity begins at home, is one’s own country or countries being hospitable to those in need as well?

If one mentions a place such as New York City, is one actually denying that that is one of the most multi-ethnic cities on earth if not the most multi-ethnic city?

Frankly, sometimes we have to say, let’s take a look in the mirror.
 
Why is this comment directed at me? And what does it have to do with anything?

I did not make any references to an “invasion” of any kind.

You like to follow me around these forums and out me as some kind of bigot. Well ,you are wrong. I am born and raised in Queens, which is the most multi-ethnic county in the world, with some 178 different languages spoken here. When I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s, neighborhoods were more demarcated, one being Irish, another Italian, another Jewish and so on and so on. Today, it is a true mish-mash of ethnicities. On my small block of some 35 1, 2, and 3 family homes, I can think of 12 different languages spoken here and maybe more, who knows. Everything from Polish and Italian, to Chinese and Korean, to Egyptian, Serbian, Albanian and even some type of Romanian gypsy. My two main grocery stores are Dominican and Yemenite owned.

In order for this lifestyle to work, and it does, one has to trust your neighbors no matter their background.

I’ve also been around the world in the military. I’ve seen some very good societies and met great people from many places, but I’ve also been in some places that do not work so well and the people were not so great. All societies are not equal.

So I do not talk and offer my opinions from a sheltered background…
 
You might be aware that America is having it’s own problems with immigration and migration.

We are not exactly known for tight border security and strict immigration laws, you know?🤷

Everyone is welcome…unless of course you are a European Christian. We haven’t wanted you guys since the 1965 national origins formula was stupidly changed, which restricted your entry…:rolleyes:
 
This is just opinion, it seems like the Slavic countries in Europe are not accepting refugees unless per Slovakia at least, they are Chdristian, despite one Slavic country being responsible for much of the destabilization of the Middle East through their support of a dictator that has seen a case of genocide brought against him at the United Nations.
 
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