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From what I’ve seen, it already is.
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estesbob
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There will be hell to pay when the MM realizes the Pope really is Catholic!The mainstream media most likely won’t even mention it. It goes against what they want the Holy Father to be saying.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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Ideological colonization of the family with ideas such as marriage should be based upon love, that marriage is dissoluble and that heterosexual sodomy is not sinful poses a grave threat to society.In points he’s made before in other settings, Pope Francis on Friday criticized what he called the “ideological colonization of the family,” language that many took as a reference to gay marriage, and also defended a previous pope who upheld the Church’s ban on contraception.
“The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,” Francis said.
A Vatican spokesman confirmed Friday evening that, at least in part, the pope had gay marriage in mind.
The remarks came in a session Francis held with more than 1,000 families in a downtown Manila arena, amid the pontiff’s Jan. 12-19 trip to Sri Lanka and the Philippines.
The pope also issued a strong defense of Pope Paul VI’s controversial 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, which upheld the Church’s traditional ban on birth control.
cruxnow.com/church/2015/01/16/pope-francis-criticizes-gay-marriage-backs-contraception-ban/?s_campaign=crux:email:daily
Someone needs to explain to her and the vast majority of people that marriage is about children not love.I am hoping that the Crux website is not becoming another incarnation of the National Catholic Reporter. I notice that their ‘spirituality’ columnist, Margery Eagan has expressed her devastation and disappointment that this pope somehow remains Catholic.
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JimG
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I think it is about both. The couple promises to be open to life and also to love each other until death. Love doesn’t depend on how we feel at any particular moment.Someone needs to explain to her and the vast majority of people that marriage is about children not love.
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Joie_de_Vivre
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What people fail to realize is that the love mentioned in marriage vows is different from the love that modern society says you should marry for. The love modern society says you should marry for is an ephemeral thing and to build upon such a thing is like building a upon sand.I think it is about both. The couple promises to be open to life and also to love each other until death. Love doesn’t depend on how we feel at any particular moment.
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InSearchofGrace
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:yup:What people fail to realize is that the love mentioned in marriage vows is different from the love that modern society says you should marry for. The love modern society says you should marry for is an ephemeral thing and to build upon such a thing is like building a upon sand.
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canis73
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Good thing you consider yourself a catholic. Just shows how twiiated that definition has become for some people.I wonder if he is really being honest about opposing gay marriage? To begin with, he is the kind of pope now that in my opinion is a “people pleaser” and is doing his best to go against God’s teachings, the Holy Bible and the Church just to be loved, and approved off…he also condones having gay priests in the church…as a matter of fact, he is a little too liberal for me, chances are, he could also be a Democrat, not to get into politics, but this pope needs a lot of prayers, and I pray like Obama, he does not try to destroy from within…
The Pope was very emphatic against gay marriage in Argentina, when the law was being discussed, several years ago. And to call him a “people´s pleaser” shows you are clueless. He was extremely vocal against a a government that had won with 54% of the votes, just to defend the catholic truth against demagogy.
I wonder if you realize just how egocentric you sound with this sort of remarks and the way you put them.
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Path_Finder
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Salon, the (very liberal imo) website just published a story:
Pope reportedly holds private audience with transgender man
salon.com/2015/01/26/pope_reportedly_holds_private_audience_with_transgender_man/
Pope Francis met privately with a Spanish transgender man this weekend, according to new report featured in the Washington Blade.
Diego Neria Lejárraga told the Spanish newspaper Hoy that he and his fiancée met with the pontiff at his official Vatican residence on Saturday, in what would mark the first meeting of a pope with a transgender person.
Sounds like this first was published in a Spanish newspaper. Sounded too much like hearsay to post as a story.Although Neria said that he encountered often hostile reactions from Church officials because of his gender identity — one priest allegedly called him “the devil’s daughter” — he felt he would receive a warmer reception from the pope, who has called on the Church to welcome long-marginalized groups, including gay people and divorcees. Neria wrote the pope a letter conveying his experiences as a transgender Catholic and lamenting the rejection he experienced from fellow brethren following his sex-change operation.
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Shirtlifter
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“Love the sinner and hate the sin” is simply a cover that “good” Catholics use to discriminate against their gay and lesbian brothers i.e. conditional love. What it really means is that the LGBT folks are not allowed to live the truth of their lives and are only “loved” if they sit in the back pew and be quiet and celibate of course. This allows the “good” Catholics to feel proud of their “Christ-like” attitude while holding onto their prejudices.
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pnewton
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The word “truth” should not be followed by the prepositional phrase “of their lives”. Truth is an absolute that exists outside of our subjective experience. I also think it no act of charity toward a people as a group to assume such a determinism as to equate actions with truth. People can act in accord to that part of their nature that is divine, or that part that is the carnal animal.What it really means is that the LGBT folks are not allowed to live the truth of their lives …
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jokerswild180
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It seems like you’re identifying people by their desires. There is a difference between a person (sinner), their desires (temptations), and their actions (sins). Not all action is sinful nor every desire temptation, but everyone is a sinner (see Romans 3:21-31). Temptation is not sin. Acting on that temptation contrary to God’s commands and natural law is sinful though. The video here does a better job of explaining this distinction: couragerc.org/courage/#resources-bar“Love the sinner and hate the sin” is simply a cover that “good” Catholics use to discriminate against their gay and lesbian brothers i.e. conditional love. What it really means is that the LGBT folks are not allowed to live the truth of their lives and are only “loved” if they sit in the back pew and be quiet and celibate of course. This allows the “good” Catholics to feel proud of their “Christ-like” attitude while holding onto their prejudices.
What is the truth of the lives of “LGBT folks”? The same that is True for all of us. God loves us no matter what we do. He offers us His entire being and asks us to respond in kind so that we may share in His divinity with Him. We can accept this gift or reject it. Part of accepting it is living according to His commands, which are liberating, not enslaving. “Not allowed to live the truth of their lives”? The Truth is only found in living as God wills. Here’s another great movie about three people who have same-sex attraction but are living as God wills: everlastinghills.org/
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