Pope Francis denounces ‘trickle-down’ economic theories in critique of inequality

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Silvio_Dante said:
He condemns himself by his own supremacist views. I want nothing to do with such an individual and its a stain on Catholicism to freely express such hatred on a Catholic forum…
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What specifically was hateful about the post? I rather liked it.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Be specific - when during the Reagan era did America have an unregulated free market?

Ishii
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I never said there was. Nice try though.

But that didn’t stop him imposing his policies of greed and division on working people across America, to his eternal shame…
 
ishii said:
What specifically was hateful about the post? I rather liked it.

Ishii
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The disdain for Europeans in general but more importantly the Islamophobic bigotry. You may well like it. That does you little favours…
 
Silvio_Dante said:
Straight out of your average Neo-Nazi hate speech booklet. Chilling stuff. People with such race hating views give Irish Americans a bad name…
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Race? Where did I mention race?

Oh, I think I get it. Because I said the Muslims are going to drive you all out eventually because native Europeans refuse to have children? Do you really think Muslims are a “race”? Muslims are of all sorts of races. Remember the Tsarnaev brothers? Europeans they were. Ever meet an Albanian Muslim or a Turk or a Kurd or a Bosnian? Ever meet a blonde, blue-eyed Syrian? “Muslim” is not a “race” except perhaps in your mind; something you need to correct, by the way. Islam is a mixture of religion and politics. And with Christians being killed and driven out of every country where Islam prevails, do you really doubt that Christians have something to fear from Sharia and its various manifestations?

Oh, and by the way, some of my relatives are Arabs, and they don’t claim to be part of a different “race”. Nor do I think of them as such. That kind of thinking seems to be more European than American. But as Christian Arabs they wouldn’t live in an Islamic country for anything.

That’s why they’re here, not there, just as you or your children or grandchildren will likely be some day if you are, and remain, Christian.

Neo-Nazi indeed! What a poor substitute for serious thought!
 
Ridgerunner said:
Race? Where did I mention race?

Oh, I think I get it. Because I said the Muslims are going to drive you all out eventually because native Europeans refuse to have children? Do you really think Muslims are a “race”? Muslims are of all sorts of races. Remember the Tsarnaev brothers? Europeans they were. Ever meet an Albanian Muslim or a Turk or a Kurd or a Bosnian? Ever meet a blonde, blue-eyed Syrian? “Muslim” is not a “race” except perhaps in your mind; something you need to correct, by the way. Islam is a mixture of religion and politics. And with Christians being killed and driven out of every country where Islam prevails, do you really doubt that Christians have something to fear from Sharia and its various manifestations?

Oh, and by the way, some of my relatives are Arabs, and they don’t claim to be part of a different “race”. Nor do I think of them as such. That kind of thinking seems to be more European than American. But as Christian Arabs they wouldn’t live in an Islamic country for anything.

That’s why they’re here, not there, just as you or your children or grandchildren will likely be some day if you are, and remain, Christian.

Neo-Nazi indeed! What a poor substitute for serious thought!
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Your Islamophobic diatribe has been reported…
 
Silvio_Dante said:
I never said there was. Nice try though.

But that didn’t stop him imposing his policies of greed and division on working people across America, to his eternal shame…
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You said that unregulated free market in America brings division, poverty, and greed to daily life. When I asked for an example of that you brought up Reagan. Now you’re backpeddling. Between that and your penchant for name-calling, I’m having a hard time having much of a conversation with you.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Which policies of his imposed greed and division?
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Cuts in taxes, to welfare programmes and his immoral war on trade unions.

then to top it all your National Debt levels sky rocketed. What a crock presidency…
 
ishii said:
You said that unregulated free market in America brings division, poverty, and greed to daily life. When I asked for an example of that you brought up Reagan. Now you’re backpeddling. Between that and your penchant for name-calling, I’m having a hard time having much of a conversation with you.

Ishii
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The market wasn’t regulated enough. Dems are trying to bring some meaningful controls to the system to the manic screams from the TP zealots…
 
Silvio_Dante said:
The disdain for Europeans in general but more importantly the Islamophobic bigotry. You may well like it. That does you little favours…
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How incomparably silly! I am European myself. The culture in which I live is almost entirely of European origin.

And one who does not have some fear of Islamic militants in today’s world is hiding from the most obvious of today’s realities. In what Islamic country is there no oppression of Christians today? Syria, where a whole town of Christians was butchered by Islamic militants? Iraq, where the Christian population has been cut in half in the last few years? Egypt, where the police won’t defend Christians against Islamist attacks? Nigeria? Sudan? Where? Saudi Arabia where Christians are slaves and you can’t own a bible under penalty of law?

Well, yes, I guess one can live in peace as a Christian in Albania. I’ll give you that. Oh, and in Kazakhstan, but half or so of the population there is Christian, so I don’t guess it counts.
 
Ridgerunner said:
How incomparably silly! I am European myself. The culture in which I live is almost entirely of European origin.

And one who does not have some fear of Islamic militants in today’s world is hiding from the most obvious of today’s realities. In what Islamic country is there no oppression of Christians today? Syria, where a whole town of Christians was butchered by Islamic militants? Iraq, where the Christian population has been cut in half in the last few years? Egypt, where the police won’t defend Christians against Islamist attacks? Nigeria? Sudan? Where? Saudi Arabia where Christians are slaves and you can’t own a bible under penalty of law?

Well, yes, I guess one can live in peace as a Christian in Albania. I’ll give you that. Oh, and in Kazakhstan, but half or so of the population there is Christian, so I don’t guess it counts.
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Ahhh. A paranoid individual who see threats everywhere. How sad for you.

Do you know that some people think all priests are child molesters. Ridiculous isn’t it.

Just as stupid as the idea the muslims want to eat your young because of the actions of a radical element…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Maybe Europe has something to teach us in some ways, but it’s a mighty stretch to claim it does in all ways. Europe more closely regulates abortion than does the U.S. But on the other hand, we do still have children, which native Europeans seem to be giving up.
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There’s only one ethnic group in the US which has over-replacement TFR and it’s the Hispanics.

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1460/usafertility19802010.png
Ridgerunner said:
Did you know that if you’re illegal in France, you get only the healthcare you can pay for up front?
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And we should care about illegals because…? In Europe, you MUST get healthcare if you are citizen or legal immigrant.
Ridgerunner said:
Europe is Europe and the U.S. is the U.S. We watch your populations about to plummet (when is it expected to halve in Italy? By 2030?)
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It’s predicted to decrease by 28% by 2050. Your numbers are off.
Ridgerunner said:
Why doesn’t prosperity spread from Germany to Poland or Slovakia?
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In the graph below, Germany’s GDP per capita each year is normalized to 100. Poland is blue.

http://geopolityka.blog.onet.pl/wp-...og_vp_4743371_7248625_tr_polskagoniniemcy.png
Ridgerunner said:
You be Europe and we’ll be America. And when the Muslims eventually drive the remnant of you out, which they surely will because they have children while native Europeans don’t, America will give you haven then just like it gave my Irish ancestors haven when the Brits made it impossible for them to live there any longer.
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And Latinos in the US will secede and rejoin Mexico:

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Silvio_Dante said:
The market wasn’t regulated enough. Dems are trying to bring some meaningful controls to the system to the manic screams from the TP zealots…
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I have been asking you for specifics ever since you threw out the accusation. But you haven’t provide any. I’m guessing you don’t have any specifics to back up your points.

Ishii
 
Silvio_Dante said:
Ahhh. A paranoid individual who see threats everywhere. How sad for you.

Do you know that some people think all priests are child molesters. Ridiculous isn’t it.

Just as stupid as the idea the muslims want to eat your young because of the actions of a radical element…
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I don’t think all priests are child molesters. Very few were. Fewer than public school teachers.

Paranoid. I actually have friends in the Middle East; Palestinian muslims and Iraqi Christians. They’re not paranoid, they’re realists. Do you not know that radical Islamism is a serious threat to peaceful Muslims as it is to Christians, just that it’s much more serious for Christians? Remember that bomb blast at a wedding in Amman? Two of my friends were there; both Muslims. One, fortunately, had gone out for a smoke and was only hit by flying glass. The other was more seriously injured, but would have been killed if there had not been a pillar between him and the blast. That didn’t save the young woman at his table, whose head was blown off. Paranoid.

A Muslim friend wanted to take his granddaughter to Egypt as the guest of that fellow Hawass, who is the head curator of the Egyptian museums. Her Arab Christian father wouldn’t let her go, and why? Because she is Christian, that’s why, and Christians aren’t safe there, no matter who they are or whose guest they are. Paranoid, or realistic? When your daughter’s life is at risk, you become a realist.

How many Egyptian Christians have to be raped or killed before some of us will acknowledge that there really is such a thing as a malignant element in the Islamic world? How many more Christian towns will have to be slaughtered before those who throw terms like “Islamophobe” around will recognize that it’s not paranoid at all to recognize a real threat?

Why do you think the Tsarnaev brothers killed people in Boston? Why do you think the mall murderers in Nigeria let the Muslims go and killed everybody else they could kill?

Paranoid. But maybe if I lived in Europe I would hide my head in the sand too and call everyone “paranoid” who presented me with an unpleasant reality.

Well, I have to go do other things now, so shoot me in the back if you want. But I’ll be back; probably tomorrow, and I’ll see if you did.

Be of good cheer, all!
 
weller2 said:
There’s only one ethnic group in the US which has over-replacement TFR and it’s the Hispanics. And so, is this supposed to trouble me?

And we should care about illegals because…? In Europe, you MUST get healthcare if you are citizen or legal immigrant. No, you don’t have to get healthCARE, you have to pay your taxes, which pay for healthcare if you’re in the public tier. But not if you’re in the private tier.

It’s predicted to decrease by 28% by 2050. Your numbers are off. I have seen it otherwise, but I guess better experts can compare the numbers and the bases for them.

In the graph below, Germany’s GDP per capita each year is normalized to 100. Poland is blue. Which doesn’t alter what I said. Mexico’s per capita GDP is still higher than Poland’s.

And Latinos in the US will secede and rejoin Mexico: **A slander against Latinos. Why would they want to do that? Do people where I live want to be rejoined to Britain just because virtually ever manjack of them is Scots/Irish? Would they want to do it because of “race”? No, they’re not that kind of racists, and neither are Latinos whose different groups, by the way, are more varied from each other sometimes than they are from “native born” Americans. Do you actually think, by the way, that Cuban-Americans or Guatemalan-Americans want any part of union with Mexico? **
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My goodness, what a lot of silliness we’re seeing tonight!

But I really do have to go. Good evening to all.
 
Silvio_Dante said:
Cuts in taxes, to welfare programmes and his immoral war on trade unions.

then to top it all your National Debt levels sky rocketed. What a crock presidency…
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He cut taxes with the votes of Democrats - they controlled the House of representatives during his entire presidency. He didn’t cut welfare - I will be charitable and assume that you are just misinformed on that. He received a great deal of support from union members - they helped elect and re-elect him. :eek:

Here is something about America perhaps you didn’t know: According to the Charities Aid Foundation’s most recent World Giving Index, Americans give proportionally more than the population of any other country. Perhaps the poor around the world would benefit if Ireland and the rest of Europe emulated America. :hmmm:

Ishii
 
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