Pope Francis donates $500,000 to migrants at US border

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The Vatican says media interest in the migrants is declining – as is aid.
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Good, If there is less interest and less aid there will be less so called migrants.

The pope is not helping here.

He is foistering problems on the United States.

He cannot complain if America retaliates.

He should be getting Catholic Dioceses to inform migrants that they need to be respecting the spirit of American Law and the hardworking tax payors that have created that country.

There is something very wrong with the Church when they facilitate the open taking of money by one group of people from another, uncaring of national budgets, culture and laws. The pope knows that state of emergencies have been declared in the United States because of the mass flight to that country. He knows that this is a huge political problem in the United States with one side of politics using their elected platforms and activist judges to aggressively paralyse the United States ability to deal with this problem. Here the pope is, openly backing the people who ignore law and whose platform is to use the state to take people’s wealth from them for political and selfish reasons.

If the pope wants to help he can ‘give’ $20 billion annually to support the people from central America with their hands out. He won’t do that. Instead he donates a paltry $500 thousand to entice them to a different jurisdiction and force those people to pay for it. The pope is being completely disrespectful to the hardworking people that will have to pay for the pope’s actions. The pope is being openly disrespectful to the elected president of the country he would wish to foist continual forced charity. Another name for continual forced charity is theft. That is what the pope is foistering on the United States and their president.

Does he care? It doesn’t look so,

Where is the intellectual discussion from the pope on the ethics of turning up in your millions and demanding to take the wealth from other people? Where is the intellectual discussion from the pope on how much disruption. divisiveness and dollars illegal mass migration will force on a peaceful country? Where is the intelligent discussion from the pope on what makes a successful economy and how that can be implemented in Central America?

We are supposed to be Christendom with an experience of these things. We are supposed to be intelligent and communicative of what works.

There is no intelligence on display here. There is the support of forced state theft and the disrespecting of a people and president.

Being diplomatic here, this is not good action from the pope.
 
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One benefit of Immigrants to Catholicism:

-Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-cont...T_15.12.17_religiousSalienceScatter.png?w=640
“Were it not for immigration, Catholicism in the United States would be dwindling as non-immigrant Catholics drift away from the church.”
-Hispanic Growth Is Strength but Also Challenge for U.S. Catholic Church - The New York Times
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“Most Catholics under 30 are Hispanic, according to a new diocesan-level survey that confirmed many trends within the growing Latino community.”
“40 percent of U.S. Catholics are Hispanic”
-The Hispanic Catholic Church in the U.S. is growing, survey confirms | America Magazine
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Their may be some benefits to immigration in a Pagan culture. Immigration could make the United States the only mostly religious First World Country on the planet. The question then becomes, how long will this boost last for the Catholic Church in America.

I understand I did not touch the rational economics questions you brought up. I understand 500,000 is not much compared to the need. I will let others handle these questions. I do not attack your viewpoint and I understand the economic problems you bring up will be hard. I merely hope to humbly place a few ideas on the table.
abucs said:
Where is the intelligent discussion from the pope on what makes a successful economy and how that can be implemented in Central America?
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You seem to have missed the part about this money going to dioceses in Mexico, and for food and basic necessities.
If you are suggesting letting refugees starve, you should take that up with the church leaders in Mexico.
 
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You seem to have missed the part about this money going to dioceses in Mexico, and for food and basic necessities.
If you are suggesting letting refugees starve, you should take that up with the church leaders in Mexico.
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I am not sure why you think I don’t know the money went to Mexican diocese’s. It said so clearly in the report.

No one is suggesting that anyone should starve, just that they shouldn’t be enticed north in even greater numbers so as to put a deliberate burden on another nations tax payers.

That is clearly wrong and that is what is happening.
 
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abucs said:
No one is suggesting that anyone should starve, just that they shouldn’t be enticed north in even greater numbers so as to put a deliberate burden on another nations tax payers.

That is clearly wrong and that is what is happening.
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Then you are barking up the wrong tree. The Pope’s charity was only to relieve the suffering of the immigrants, not to interfere with government policy.

That is clearly right and what is happening!
 
I am very happy that the Church is helping the migrants on their journey but I also fear that the help further encourages the journey. We need to make programs that help while discouraging, I’m just not sure how to go about that
 
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We need to make programs that help while discouraging,
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No, no we don’t. Charity should never have conditions attached.

I think the Holy Father made it clear, using the worn example that we should not give money to street people because they might use it to buy drugs or alcohol…that part of the equation doesn’t matter. If we give with a pure heart, we have completed an act of mercy. Demanding or even expecting what is done after we give alms detracts from the work.
 
I never said charity should have conditions attached. It is very possible to help people without them having to take a perilous and extremely long journey in order to receive that help.
 
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Everytime I go to Rome is see extreme poverty. Beggars and cripples yards from where the Pope sleeps. I see giant walls. I see rules and security restricting access. I see a vast Italian military presence with machine guns. I see signs requiring a certain level of respect for the faith and culture by visitors up to and including dress. I see a market system of souveners and tours full of scammers and greed. And I always think the same thing. It is necessary. It is the way of the fallen world. And the Church and the government does not error by protecting itself. 500,000 is not really a life changing difference maker here. It is symbolic and a political stand. And in that way the Pope is (in my opinion) making a mistake. That 500,000 could buy an apartment outside if the Vatican walls for a couple beggars to live in.
 
I think you are on to something. My very first thought when I read the article was $500,000 is not nearly enough My second thought was the political implications. My third thought was severe disappointment that the Church is playing politics with “the least of these” while criticizing others for doing just that! I am truly trying to understand, but now I am angry that no one seems to want to discourage people from dragging children along and instead make it an incentive to bring the kids. Children are dying and suffering life long trauma all because potential migrants are told that it is better to bring a child with them
 
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Then you are barking up the wrong tree. The Pope’s charity was only to relieve the suffering of the immigrants, not to interfere with government policy.

That is clearly right and what is happening!
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No he is entering into politics and being disrespectful to the duly elected president of the United States and its people. He knows it and so does everyone else who would tell the truth.
 
Do you all want to know an incentive to migrate? Watching your loved ones get blindfolded before their brains are blown out is an incentive.

Nobody considers a meager provision of food and blankets after a death-defying trek across Mexico an “incentive.” Even if it were, could somebody please point me to where in the Gospels Christ commands us to help the poor only if they’re not “incentivized” to go where they’re not wanted?

Here I thought that with our Church’s generosity, we could finally reach a point where we set aside personal views on a heated issue and come together in agreement that these people shouldn’t have to suffer. Shouldn’t this move from His Holiness, of all things, enable us to find common ground?? It’s sad to see such a high level of cynicism get in the way of the work so vital to our faith.
 
So you are ok with choosing one child to go with you and leaving the rest in the situation that is so bad you need to flee.
 
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Do you all want to know an incentive to migrate? Watching your loved ones get blindfolded before their brains are blown out is an incentive.

Nobody considers a meager provision of food and blankets after a death-defying trek across Mexico an “incentive.” Even if it were, could somebody please point me to where in the Gospels Christ commands us to help the poor only if they’re not “incentivized” to go where they’re not wanted?

Here I thought that with our Church’s generosity, we could finally reach a point where we set aside personal views on a heated issue and come together in agreement that these people shouldn’t have to suffer. Shouldn’t this move from His Holiness, of all things, enable us to find common ground?? It’s sad to see such a high level of cynicism get in the way of the work so vital to our faith.
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Good point. Perhaps the 500,000 would be better spent trying to change the governments causing this and not undermining ours…
 
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