Pope Francis drives a wedge between Catholic Church, GOP

[CaptFun]

(Another provocative headline implies that) *** Pope Francis drives a wedge between Catholic Church, GOP***

• Pope Francis reiterating well known Church teachings is not “News”. <Well, it IS … but not the kind of “News” the media would print, video, or otherwise publish but in its most obscure places.
• Pope Francis (or any Pope) saying, or even seeming to say, something surprising - makes big headlines.
• Pope Francis rarely speaks or writes in English to begin with. So we get interpretations INTO English from Spanish or Latin. And while some things can get lost in translation, other things can be added … like say a political code word or two used as adjectives in an otherwise correct (or ballpark close) quote (such as “trickle down” economics being selected as an English language modifier was) … that has no equivalent in Latin, and was not taken from the*** literal ***Spanish, but WAS English language code for Reaganomics (supply side capitalism in the U.S. that was policy under Reagan … and in some ways ever since).

IMO Pope Francis is not:

– Starting his day by scrutinizing the GOP platform with an angry sneer and a big red correction pen – as a team (of much more spiritually aware liberal theologians ) scour scripture and the latest trendy social cliches to help him re-educate conservative Catholics.

– But we might think so from the string of (often later clarified) headlines that imply Francis is (cough) “revolutionizing” the Church.

"At LAST". :nope:

 

[Theo520]

I wish the Vatican had a more realistic view of the problem.

Perhaps this book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels will become the Silent Spring of its time.

Youtube video on the topic youtu.be/DElBMdy3WUc?t=1m1s

 

[Jon_S_1]

thehill.com/homenews/administration/228289-pope-francis-splits-with-gop#.VKPhCn9NteQ.twitter

Cuba, climate change, capitalism – not too surprising that the pontiff has ruffled some feathers.

The mistake would be that people ever thought the GOP (or any other political party) is fully Catholic.

They aren’t and they shouldn’t be mistaken as such.

 

[FollowChrist34]

He’s an equal opportunity wedge-driver! He causes all of us to reconsider our priorities, if we let him.

Otherwise known as a “disciple of Christ.”

 

[BrassAnkles]

There has always been a wedge between any political party and the Vatican, not to mention Americans and Catholic in general. We are a Protestant county is essence and identity.

With all due respect to my Protestant brothers their lack of respect of Christian heritage has forced them into two unmovable political positions that are both distanced from the Gospel, and it isn’t getting better. Still, it can’t be denied the Democrats are farther from God in general than the Republican, as they would have us believe it is better to kill unwanted children than to take care of them.

 

[TEPO]

The Church guides votes only for those waiting for instruction. Its very basic, un-detailed advice -offered to those who need help understanding.

…but some educated people may have been gifted enough to follow their own conscience. Others still, vote half-heartedly against their catholic informed conscience.

In Gods eyes though, intentions are what matters.

 

[Emily2014]

I believe that the Holy Spirit guided the election of Francis as Pope, as much as the Spirit guided the election of Benedict and JPII. This means God will prevail. If I stop believing the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church then the conclave is as wise as Congress --then we really needs prayers! – and the whole joint should just close up shop!

As long as Pope Francis is upsetting and challenging people up and down the spectrum, I believe he is doing God’s work.

Well said. He is a humble, wise, compassionate and inspiring man - as was Jesus.

 

[marymary1975]

Did not Pope John Paul II later say or infer that he possibly did not understand the true situation of the struggle in El Salvador where Archbishop Romero was slain?? Could we not see something like that in Cuba as well?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93scar_Romero

It seems I have heard this before. Here is a bit on the article about Pope John Paul II:

Liberation theology

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II

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For the record, I think Marco even briefly “looked” at Mormonism.

Yes Marco Rubio was baptized Catholic but he attended several other faith, not only Mormon but he was in the evangelical church, church of the saints of the layter days, Baptist etc and his beliefs are a mix of different religions. He is very much a sincretism of catholicism with others. That is why it worries me that he is being called “practicing catholic”. Practicing catholics don’t go to evangelical churches (when i was in Miami he would call himself catholic while attending regukar services at an evangelucal church ) neither have a fundamentalist view if the bible. Rubio is non practicing catholic. What happens is that he is anti abortion so people who don’t know any better think because one is anti abortion that makes you a practicing catholic and is not like that.

The problem with Cubans in Miami is that back in the day they were a very powerful group with a lot of influence over the US Government. Over the past 30 years and with generational changes Cubans in Miami politically have lost power as a group. The fact that most Hispanics in Miami do not like Cubans in Miami has been another issue because the numbers of Hispanics have gone up while Cubans are not the powerful majority anymore. The whole Obama thing with Cuba is a reflection of how the Cubans have lost power and both Rubio and Diaz are upset not out of concern for the people in Cuba bit because what the Pope did reflects in a loss of political power to them.

I don’t think the pope does not understand the situation. Had he been Italian or European then yes I would think he maybe doesn’t understand but he is not. He is Argentinian who lived through a dictatorship and as any Latin American he is very aware of the entire situation in Cuba. In fact he may have a current better understanding than Rubio of Cuba as Rubik’s picture is what the Cubans of 1960 transmitted to him while the Pope does have a vision of the Cuba throughout the last 50 years.

 

[CarolNoel]

Correct. The church doesn’t tell us who to vote for- They tell who we can’t vote for . Until the Democrat Party uncouples itself fromb the culture of death it will be difficult, if not impossible, for Catholic to support them in good conscience

I like what you say.

 

[Emily2014]

I rather doubt christ would get involved in a big government battle such as global warming -

As God made man, Christ could stop it ,should that be His purpose for us. At the moment, He obviously expects us to sort it out for ourselves! Hopefully, with His guidance, eventually we will.

 

[Durnford]

thehill.com/homenews/administration/228289-pope-francis-splits-with-gop#.VKPhCn9NteQ.twitter

Cuba, climate change, capitalism – not too surprising that the pontiff has ruffled some feathers.

I am sorry but the GOP does not represent the Catholic Church or the faith
Whilst its support for pro-lie issues and its anti gay marriage stand is in line with the faith its siding with greedy big business is very far from the Catholic view of the world and morality

 

[FollowChrist34]

I am sorry but the GOP does not represent the Catholic Church or the faith
Whilst its support for pro-lie issues and its anti gay marriage stand is in line with the faith its siding with greedy big business is very far from the Catholic view of the world and morality

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes Marco Rubio was baptized Catholic but he attended several other faith, not only Mormon but he was in the evangelical church, church of the saints of the layter days, Baptist etc and his beliefs are a mix of different religions. He is very much a sincretism of catholicism with others. That is why it worries me that he is being called “practicing catholic”. Practicing catholics don’t go to evangelical churches (when i was in Miami he would call himself catholic while attending regukar services at an evangelucal church ) neither have a fundamentalist view if the bible. Rubio is non practicing catholic. What happens is that he is anti abortion so people who don’t know any better think because one is anti abortion that makes you a practicing catholic and is not like that.

The problem with Cubans in Miami is that back in the day they were a very powerful group with a lot of influence over the US Government. Over the past 30 years and with generational changes Cubans in Miami politically have lost power as a group. The fact that most Hispanics in Miami do not like Cubans in Miami has been another issue because the numbers of Hispanics have gone up while Cubans are not the powerful majority anymore. The whole Obama thing with Cuba is a reflection of how the Cubans have lost power and both Rubio and Diaz are upset not out of concern for the people in Cuba bit because what the Pope did reflects in a loss of political power to them.

I don’t think the pope does not understand the situation. Had he been Italian or European then yes I would think he maybe doesn’t understand but he is not. He is Argentinian who lived through a dictatorship and as any Latin American he is very aware of the entire situation in Cuba. In fact he may have a current better understanding than Rubio of Cuba as Rubik’s picture is what the Cubans of 1960 transmitted to him while the Pope does have a vision of the Cuba throughout the last 50 years.

Yes, we can know Cuba and Miami, however, when both the Democrat Cuban-American Senator Mendendez and the Republican Cuban-American Senator Rubio are against this bill, that shows a bipartisan consensus, add to that one-half Cuban-American Ted Cruz, all are against it. We can say the Pope knows better but he’s not even Cuban.

There have been 2 threads on this topic, in Catholic News and in World News. Perhaps that is a more appropriate place to discuss this as those threads are dedicated to the issue.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=929545

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=929931

There is no reason to negotiate a bad deal which seems to be the consensus of many, it doesn’t do much for the people of Cuba, only for those who run the government. Again, it is discussed in the above threads and would be more fair to speak about the details there.

 

[kenmiller]

As Godu made man, Christ could stop it ,should that be His purpose for us. At the moment, He obviously expects us to sort it out for ourselves! Hopefully, with His guidance, eventually we will.

Stop what ? You are making a premise that does not exist. The planet warms and cools all with her own mind called good old mother nature

 

[Path_Finder]

I am sorry but the GOP does not represent the Catholic Church or the faith
Whilst its support for pro-lie issues and its anti gay marriage stand is in line with the faith its siding with greedy big business is very far from the Catholic view of the world and morality

Okay, let’s say your assessment is correct, I don’t believe doctrine places “siding with greedy business” as being above the sanctity of liFe, the pro-liFe issues. Again, this is up to our consciences of which I respect everyone to have through their exercise of free-will.

 

[kenmiller]

I am sorry but the GOP does not represent the Catholic Church or the faith
Whilst its support for pro-lie issues and its anti gay marriage stand is in line with the faith its siding with greedy big business is very far from the Catholic view of the world and morality

No party is the perfect union for Catholics - but the Dems agenda is abortion , gay marriage and every bit as big business as Repub. So not sure your point ? Big Government is the answer maybe

 

[kozlosap]

The mistake would be that people ever thought the GOP (or any other political party) is fully Catholic.

They aren’t and they shouldn’t be mistaken as such.

I AGREE! Since Roe was inacted 42 years ago, the Dems have held the presidency for 20 years and the GOP for 22. Was abortion outlawed during those years by either party? NO!
Politics and religion have historically been strange bedfellows, and thankfully, in the USA and Canada they continue to be somewhat separated. Before the Tea Party sprang up, it was much easier for progressives to vote for the GOP. I long for the days of Eisenhower Republicans.

I am of the group that thinks that the Holy Spirit was truly at work in the Sistine Chapel on that day in March 2013 when Papa Francis was selected. He embodies the Joy of the Gospels. The Holy Father is not going to change Church dogma on women and the priesthood, gay sacramental marriage or, most likely, ABC. His concern for divorced Catholics is a good place to start with some small changes to bring the Church closer to reality in 2015. The emphasis that he places on helping the least among us actually gives me hope that he will continue sweeping out the Curia of those cardinals who live like minor princes or sultans and protect their own power instead of helping those in need.

 

[Emily2014]

I am of the group that thinks that the Holy Spirit was truly at work in the Sistine Chapel on that day in March 2013 when Papa Francis was selected. He embodies the Joy of the Gospels. The Holy Father is not going to change Church dogma on women and the priesthood, gay sacramental marriage or, most likely, ABC. His concern for divorced Catholics is a good place to start with some small changes to bring the Church closer to reality in 2015. The emphasis that he places on helping the least among us actually gives me hope that he will continue sweeping out the Curia of those cardinals who live like minor princes or sultans and protect their own power instead of helping those in need.

 

[Path_Finder]

I AGREE! Since Roe was inacted 42 years ago, the Dems have held the presidency for 20 years and the GOP for 22. Was abortion outlawed during those years by either party? NO!
Politics and religion have historically been strange bedfellows, and thankfully, in the USA and Canada they continue to be somewhat separated. Before the Tea Party sprang up, it was much easier for progressives to vote for the GOP. I long for the days of Eisenhower Republicans.

I am of the group that thinks that the Holy Spirit was truly at work in the Sistine Chapel on that day in March 2013 when Papa Francis was selected. He embodies the Joy of the Gospels. The Holy Father is not going to change Church dogma on women and the priesthood, gay sacramental marriage or, most likely, ABC. His concern for divorced Catholics is a good place to start with some small changes to bring the Church closer to reality in 2015. The emphasis that he places on helping the least among us actually gives me hope that he will continue sweeping out the Curia of those cardinals who live like minor princes or sultans and protect their own power instead of helping those in need.

How many abortion clinics have been closed? We read about them every day? Was this done by the DemocratIC party? NO!

Where does our responsibility on abortion start? It starts with me, myself, not the President of the United States. Local politicians have closed plenty of abortion clinics, defunded America’s biggest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood from New Jersey to Texas to Wisconsin. So that is plenty for me. PP is a big special interest group of the DemocratIC party.

I’m not expecting someone to wave a wand. It all starts with the individual.

 

[esieffe]

No, because they believe the news headlines and think he’s about to change Church teaching.

One day they will get a rude awakening.