Pope Francis drives a wedge between Catholic Church, GOP

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Households have about $14 trillion in debt, businesses have about $22 trillion in debt. I am not sure we can really claim that households and businesses have any particular wisdom when it comes to finances, since there are plenty of bankruptcies to go around.
Most of that household debt is mortgages or cars, just guessing. And, for the most part are paying it off. Business debt is productive debt. You don’t pay, you lose.

Federal debt is passing off responsibilities to the next generation. The tax payers hold the bag.

Not the same thing it all.
 
Most of that household debt is mortgages or cars, just guessing. And, for the most part are paying it off. Business debt is productive debt. You don’t pay, you lose.

Federal debt is passing off responsibilities to the next generation. The tax payers hold the bag.

Not the same thing it all.
Then instead of passing the responsibilities to the next generation, the government (which in the USA is the people) should raise everyone’s current taxes to a level that will pay off the debt.
 
Federal debt is passing off responsibilities to the next generation. The tax payers hold the bag.

Not the same thing it all.
I agree that in some circumstances that is true. For example, when Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan the worst thing that he did was refuse to pay for them. I don’t think anyone can argue that it is moral to start a war and make the next generation pay for it.

On the other hand, some government borrowing may well be reasonable. For example, if a government builds a highway that will last ten years, it is not unreasonable to pay for it over the ten year period. One of the problems on a federal level is that we don’t have a capital budget. Borrowing may be reasonable for capital expenditures, it is not reasonable for current consumption such as wars.
 
Then instead of passing the responsibilities to the next generation, the government (which in the USA is the people) should raise everyone’s current taxes to a level that will pay off the debt.
Oh no, no matter what anyone may claim about concern for the next generation, nobody has enough concern to pay off the debt we are leaving them. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
 
Oh no, no matter what anyone may claim about concern for the next generation, nobody has enough concern to pay off the debt we are leaving them. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
Thank you. I thought it was just me that wondered how the concern related to lowering taxes now.
 
Then instead of passing the responsibilities to the next generation, the government (which in the USA is the people) should raise everyone’s current taxes to a level that will pay off the debt.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Who’s gonna vote for that? We’re just kicking the can down the road.
 
Then instead of passing the responsibilities to the next generation, the government (which in the USA is the people) should raise everyone’s current taxes to a level that will pay off the debt.
They could start with the 48% of the populace who pay no federal income tax.
 
I agree that in some circumstances that is true. For example, when Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan the worst thing that he did was refuse to pay for them. I don’t think anyone can argue that it is moral to start a war and make the next generation pay for it.

On the other hand, some government borrowing may well be reasonable. For example, if a government builds a highway that will last ten years, it is not unreasonable to pay for it over the ten year period. One of the problems on a federal level is that we don’t have a capital budget. Borrowing may be reasonable for capital expenditures, it is not reasonable for current consumption such as wars.
You forgot to add Fox news is evil…
 
They could start with the 48% of the populace who pay no federal income tax.
Would you make employer paid health insurance premiums taxable? Or how about taxing net imputed rent income on owner occupied housing? Would you reduce the standard exemption for people over 65?
 
You forgot to add Fox news is evil…
I have no problem with fox news. I don’t think they are any more biased than MSNBC.

But, since you are a Bush fan. What is the justification for starting a war and making the next generation pay for it?
 
Then instead of passing the responsibilities to the next generation, the government (which in the USA is the people) should raise everyone’s current taxes to a level that will pay off the debt.
I notice you made no mention of cutting any spending whatsoever. Why is that?

I guess $3.5 trillion is too little to spend. Can’t possibly make do with just $2.8 trillion.
 
Households have about $14 trillion in debt, businesses have about $22 trillion in debt. I am not sure we can really claim that households and businesses have any particular wisdom when it comes to finances, since there are plenty of bankruptcies to go around.
That does nothing to refute my point that the politicians and bureaucrats in DC are no wiser nor smarter than the average person.
 
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You were the one who brought up fox news. I take it you have no justification for starting wars and making future generations pay for it? If you supported the war, shouldn’t you be the one making the financial sacrifice? Where in the catechism does it say that we get to pass off our personal responsibilities onto future generations?
 
You were the one who brought up fox news. I take it you have no justification for starting wars and making future generations pay for it? If you supported the war, shouldn’t you be the one making the financial sacrifice? Where in the catechism does it say that we get to pass off our personal responsibilities onto future generations?
 
I notice you made no mention of cutting any spending whatsoever. Why is that?

I guess $3.5 trillion is too little to spend. Can’t possibly make do with just $2.8 trillion.
Why not do both? Stop all spending and raise taxes until the debt is paid.
 
Why not do both? Stop all spending and raise taxes until the debt is paid.
The problem is, if the budget get’s balanced, some politician will come along and cut taxes and raise spending. Like George Bush did when he cut taxes and then signed off on Medicare part D.
 
To get back on topic I do not think Pope Francis has driven a wedged between the Church and the GOP. I think that is wishful thinking on the part of the Secular Media and Democrat Catholics
 
To get back on topic I do not think Pope Francis has driven a wedged between the Church and the GOP. I think that is wishful thinking on the part of the Secular Media and Democrat Catholics
This part I agree with you on. I highly doubt that Pope Francis even knows much about the democrats or republicans. Plus, one can be a faithful Catholic and never vote for a republican anyway.
 
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