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CatholicGeek1
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The post you are replying to and the post that started this sidetrack of the topic, in my opinion are nothing more than wild conspiracy theories.
Pope Francis emphasizes that Second Vatican Council is the work of the Holy Spirit [CWN]
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ThomasAqu
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Is Freemasonry, Condemned BY The Church for centuries, a ‘Wild conspiracy theory’ also?
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ProVobis
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Actually he may have a point. I have a different sense of the Deity when I hear it in English rather than in Polish.
That said, I believe discussing Freemasonry is against forum rules but I could be wrong.
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JustaServant
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The only people I ever heard make a distinction between the “Holy Ghost” and the “Holy Spirit” were wide-eyed, KJV-only, cultic fundamentalists.
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JustaServant
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I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t think that is what he means by it.
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JustaServant
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This is completely off topic.
Please provide, with referances, how you come to a distinction between Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit.
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RPRPsych
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Please don’t feed the troll. (Or, if you want it in Scriptural terms, cf. Proverbs 26:4.)
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JustaServant
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Well, I figured Tom will prune the thread anyway and make our friend go away.Please don’t feed the troll. (Or, if you want it in Scriptural terms, cf. Proverbs 26:4.)
But while he’s here, I’d still like an answer to the question.
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RPRPsych
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I think Brother JR already gave us the best answer we’re going to get, actually.Well, I figured Tom will prune the thread anyway and make our friend go away.
But while he’s here, I’d still like an answer to the question.
I prefer “Holy Spirit”, myself, simply because it’s closest to the original Latin.
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TimothyH
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I understand that ghost is a translation of the German word geist. As English is based more on Latin than German, for me, spirit seems more correct.
Spirit is from the latin word spiritus which means breath. That’s where we get the word aspirate. In Greek it is pneuma from which we get pneumatic and pneumonia.The Hebrew word is ruah and its meaning is quite beautiful. God’s ruah is his breath, but his breath/spiritus/pneuma/ruah is always seen as a life giving force.
*then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7)
Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. … Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.” (Ezekiel 37:5,9)
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (John 6:63)
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. (John 20:22)*
We testify to the Spirit of God being a life giving force in every Mass when we say the creed.
**I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. **
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Spirit is from the latin word spiritus which means breath. That’s where we get the word aspirate. In Greek it is pneuma from which we get pneumatic and pneumonia.The Hebrew word is ruah and its meaning is quite beautiful. God’s ruah is his breath, but his breath/spiritus/pneuma/ruah is always seen as a life giving force.
*then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7)
Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. … Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.” (Ezekiel 37:5,9)
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (John 6:63)
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. (John 20:22)*
We testify to the Spirit of God being a life giving force in every Mass when we say the creed.
**I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. **
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RPRPsych
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Great post!
I also remember reading that the process by which the Spirit proceeds is called spiration. “Ghostation” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
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TimothyH
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Great post!
I also remember reading that the process by which the Spirit proceeds is called spiration. “Ghostation” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Well, it doesn’t have the same ring in English, that’s for sure. German is such a percise language, quite literal. The call a vaccum cleaner a staubsauger which literally means dust sucker. A bra is a büstenhalter - literally a bust holder. Ghostation might be a very poetic thought to them - who knows? To me, German is hardly a poetic language. Mozart’s arias in German have always seemed to me to be like eating ice cream with a fork.
Seriously, I have used the Latin root of the word Spirit as an apologetic on why Jesus was not speaking symbolically in John 6.
I’m waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic. Mea maxima culpa!!!
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ProVobis
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Is that we don’t say the “ghost of the law”?Great post!
I also remember reading that the process by which the Spirit proceeds is called spiration. “Ghostation” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
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RPRPsych
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Well, it doesn’t have the same ring in English, that’s for sure. German is such a percise language, quite literal. The call a vaccum cleaner a staubsauger which literally means dust sucker. A bra is a büstenhalter - literally a bust holder. Ghostation might be a very poetic thought to them - who knows? To me, German is hardly a poetic language. Mozart’s arias in German have always seemed to me to be like eating ice cream with a fork.
Dust sucker? That’s quite out there, for sure!
Fun stuff.
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RPRPsych
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Is that we don’t say the “ghost of the law”?
Also, “Charles Lindbergh and the Ghost of St. Louis.”
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agnes_therese
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You cannot seriously ask us to rely on a site that is not only blatantly antisemitic, but also refers to “Antipope Francis.”
Please provide sources from Catholic teaching.
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otjm
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Perhaps we should! A phantasm: a perception of something that has no physical reality; figment of the mind, esp. a specter or ghost.Is that we don’t say the “ghost of the law”?
Good one!
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otjm
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Yes, one held by some who also think Area 51 has alien bodies.
Those who are convinced that there is something wrong but can’t find exactly what, are prone to find a conspiracy to provide the “what”.
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RPRPsych
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Not to forget that the very first line is blatant heresy:
"The Holy Ghost is the name of God the Father."
Even Arius would have balked at that one.
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ProVobis
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The point is that either ghost or spirit will have problems in the English and it’s just another battle in the translation wars, caused by the need to have everything in vernacular when we can’t agree on what the vernacular is.
Also, “Charles Lindbergh and the Ghost of St. Louis.”
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