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RPRPsych
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Which is why I think back to my childhood, which was spent partly in a French-speaking country; “Esprit Saint” is much nicer to say.
Pope Francis emphasizes that Second Vatican Council is the work of the Holy Spirit [CWN]
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Which is why I think back to my childhood, which was spent partly in a French-speaking country; “Esprit Saint” is much nicer to say.
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CatholicGeek1
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No but saying that it is the reason for Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit in some grand plot is a wild conspiracy theory.
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QuestingKnight
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English traditionalists prefer “Holy Ghost” when speaking in English about Him. It’s now a unique term for a unique being.
In contrast, the modern trend of using just the word ‘Spirit’, alone, in religious speech, is extremely dodgy, because you’re not specifying which spirit.
Personally, I prefer using Latin when praying, if at all possible. The connotations are only spiritual for a layman in 2013.
In contrast, the modern trend of using just the word ‘Spirit’, alone, in religious speech, is extremely dodgy, because you’re not specifying which spirit.
Personally, I prefer using Latin when praying, if at all possible. The connotations are only spiritual for a layman in 2013.
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ThomasAqu
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Do you consider the Jewish TALMUD to be Anti Gentile and Anti Christian?
A Catholic, former reported for Associated Press, studied it for years and I link his findings below on this fascinating topic…
revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
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ThomasAqu
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There have been 40 AntiPopes in Church history.
There have also been 15 Heresies promoted by the same enemies of Our Faith.
Maurice Pinay detailed in the book THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH, online and Free, written to attending Bishops as a forewarning to Vatican 2 and the goals therein.
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JamesCaruso
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Not a “spirit of a chance”, PV!Is that we don’t say the “ghost of the law”?
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JamesCaruso
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Well, I’m sure the Latin doesn’t always get it right either, not all those difficult meanings in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
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JamesCaruso
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As a child, I thought Holy Ghost was kind of spooky. Due to the ever changing connotations of words, Latin is the better storehouse of meaning.
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HelenRose
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I have an idea that before long, progressives and traditionalists are going to find themselves agreeing with each other. Neither group is going to be pleased with our new Holy Father.
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edwest2
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Could you expand on this? All I’m seeing is Pope Francis guided the flock with clear and unambiguous statements. I love Pope Francis.
Peace,
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ProVobis
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Ya think?Due to the ever changing connotations of words, Latin is the better storehouse of meaning.
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JamesCaruso
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Would I lie to you?Ya think?
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Mike30
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As did the Popes that preceeded him, and yet they were attacked at virtually every turn by one side or the other.
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JReducation
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I can think of many reasons why extremes are going to find themselves at odds with the pope. Whether they will agree with each other or not is to be seen.
The pope is very clear on his positions regarding the important moral issues of the day. He is very firm on his position regarding women’s ordination.
He is also very firm that the Church must implement Vatican II. In order to do that, the entire Church must accept Vatican II as it is written.
Those are just a few points for starters.
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HelenRose
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I have friends who lean more than a little bit toward the progressive thinking. They have been very happy with Pope Francis. They are of the opinion that he is going to lead the Church toward women priests, same-sex marriage and birth control. I have other friends who are not progressive to that degree but are rejoicing because they think that the EF form of the Mass is going to be repressed and the Mass will be opened up for a free for all again. I predict that they are going to be bitterly disappointed.
Now for my other friends who want to see the end the OF Mass, they are afraid that the progressives are right. I can’t see that as being the case, however, I don’t think Pope Francis is going to be a stickler for details. He will be far more concerned about whether or not the poor and lonely are welcomed rather than making sure that they sit, knee and pray with proper form. From what I can ascertain, Pope Francis is going to want simple, devout Masses.
I do think that for the vast majority of Catholics, who may sort of lean one way or the other, will find out that he is going to be the voice for the very best that is in all of us.
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JamesCaruso
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Haha! “As it is written” implementation of Vatican II may not please some who think they like Vatican II. If the focus is drawn to the substance of Vatican II and not the loopholes, some people may be in for a shock IMHO.
Overall I like Pope Francis’ approach, and find it refreshing and swift to go to the bottom line, spiritually speaking. I have not observed that his leaning toward informality has affected his love for devoutness in the Mass.
I hope the traditionalists will be relieved with his continued support for the EF, and the conservatives will find hope in the OF becoming more in line with the written documents of Vatican II. I hope the liberals will be pleased with Pope Francis’ obvious concern for the poor, disabled, diseased and disadvantaged. I think he has something for everyone, and that’s how it should be.
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JReducation
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I would like to know where these folks get these ideas. When the man was an Archbishop, he made his position very clear on all of these issues.
I would love to see the day when we no longer use vocabulary like liberals and traditionalists. These are terms that often describe extremes. Most people think of traditionalists and they think of Archbishop Levebvre ordaining bishops without a papal mandate and Bishop Fellay ordaining priests without permission from their ordinaries. The truth is that most people who love tradition are not part of the camp.
When people hear liberal, they think of the women’s ordination, gay marriage, pro-choice, and boogie-boogie mass. The truth is that the mainstream Catholic does not fit into that mold at all. He may not be a TLM person and he may have questions on these other issues, but he’s not a rebel either.
I think that Pope Francis may be the man who will pull together what Pope Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI planted. Each of these great men gave us a necessary piece. We need someone to pull it all together.
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mike0219116
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I respectfully disagree with this statement. Most of the people who post on these forms may think that way, but I am confident that isn’t a view shared by most Catholics.
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JReducation
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I hope you’re right.
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PJM
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WHY?
Because it is and was
The problems were not what Vatican II said or didn’t say; RATHER it rest with how some read it or what they desired it to teach; and then perscribed as the mandates based on the “spirit” of Vatican II. Which gave birth to "Environement and Art in Catholic Worship"…
So His Holiness is absoutely correct.
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