Pope Francis: Gay, Transgender People Deserve Pastoral Care

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Pope Francis began responding to the reporter’s question by saying that as a priest, a bishop and even as pope he has “accompanied people with homosexual tendencies and even homosexual activity. I accompanied them; I helped them draw closer to the Lord, although some couldn’t. But I never abandoned them.”
“People must be accompanied like Jesus would accompany them,” he said. “When a person who has this situation arrives before Jesus, Jesus certainly will not say, ‘Go away because you are homosexual.’ No.”
I wonder where the discussion is on comments made today by Pope Francis. I have just read through Fr James Martin’s post on Facebook and all the responses there. So many people are touched by the pastoral focus of the Pope’s statements, as well as his hands on ‘accompanying’ those who are gay, lesbian, and transgendered. ‘Go away because you are homosexual? No.’ Those in ministry should follow the example. This man is wonderful.

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**Josh McElwee, National Catholic Reporter: **Thank you, Holy Father. In that same speech yesterday in Georgia, you spoke, as in so many other countries about gender theory, saying that it is a great enemy and a threat against marriage. But, I would like to ask you, what would you say to someone who has struggled with their sexuality for years and feels that there is truly a problem of biology, that his aspect doesn’t correspond to what he or she feels is their sexual identity. You, as a pastor and minister, how would you accompany these people?

Pope Francis: First of all: in my life as a priest and bishop, even as Pope, I have accompanied people with homosexual tendencies, I have also met homosexual persons, accompanied them, brought them closer to the Lord, as an apostle, and I have never abandoned them. People must be accompanied as Jesus accompanies them, when a person who has this condition arrives before Jesus, Jesus surely doesn’t tell them ‘go away because you are homosexual.’ What I said is that wickedness which today is done in the indoctrination of gender theory…a French father told me that he was speaking with his children at the table, he and his wife were Catholics, ‘rosewater Catholics,’ but Catholics! And he asked his 10-year-old son: ‘What do you want to be when you grow up?’- ‘a girl.’ The father realized that at school they were teaching him gender theory, and this is against the natural things. One thing is that a person has this tendency, this condition and even changes their sex, but it’s another thing to teach this in line in schools in order to change the mentality. This is what I call ideological colonization. Last year I received a letter from a Spaniard who told me his story as a child, a young man, he was a girl, a girl who suffered so much because he felt he felt like a boy, but was physically a girl. He told his mother and the mom…(the girl) was around 22 years old said that she would like to do the surgical intervention and all of those things. And the mother said not to do it while she was still alive. She was elderly and she died soon after. She had the surgery and an employee of a ministry in the city of Spain went to the bishop, who accompanied (this person) a lot. Good bishop. I spent time accompanying this man. Then (the man) got married, he changed his civil identity, got married and wrote me a letter saying that for him it would be a consolation to come with his wife, he who was she, but him! I received them: they were happy and in the neighborhood where he lived there was an elderly priest in his 80s, an elderly pastor who left the parish and helped the sisters in the parish. And there was the new (priest). When the new one he would yell from the sidewalk: ‘you’ll go to hell!’ When (the new priest) came across the old one, he would say: ‘How long has it been since you confessed? Come, come, let’s to so that I can confess you and you can receive communion.’ Understood?

Life is life and things must be taken as they come. Sin is sin. And tendencies or hormonal imbalances have many problems and we must be careful not to say that everything is the same. Let’s go party. No, that no, but in every case I accept it, I accompany it, I study it, I discern it and I integrate it. This is what Jesus would do today! Please don’t say: ‘the Pope sanctifies transgenders.’ Please, eh! Because I see the covers of the papers. Is there any doubt as to what I said? I want to be clear! It’s moral problem. It’s a human problem and it must be resolved always can be with the mercy of God, with the truth like we spoke about in the case of marriage by reading all of Amoris Laetitia, but always with an open heart. And don’t forget that chapter Vézelay, it’s very beautiful, eh! Very beautiful.
 
I don’t understand when he says “gender theory” is being taught in school.
What exactly does he mean by Gender Theory? Does he mean how people’s mental gender identity is formed via the world around them?

The only definition I can find is “gendery schema theory”:
Gender schema theory was formally introduced by Sandra Bem in 1981 as a cognitive theory to explain how individuals become gendered in society, and how sex-linked characteristics are maintained and transmitted to other members of a culture.

I don’t know of any schools that teach this to 3-graders. It would be a very advanced psychology class that would look at this subject. How can this be taught to kids in France? This doesn’t sound quite right.

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I don’t think he means that schools are teaching Psychology, as a science, to school children. I think he means that the schools are teaching children that they can be whoever they wish themselves to be. Not a bad thing, provided you’re telling them they can become astronauts or presidents or doctors or bricklayers.
 
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“A great enemy of marriage today is the theory of gender,” Francis told a group of religious men and women and pastoral agents in Georgia.
“Today, there is a global war trying to destroy marriage… they don’t destroy it with weapons, but with ideas. It’s certain ideological ways of thinking that are destroying it…we have to defend ourselves from ideological colonization,” he said.
 
I wonder where certain social liberals will twist his words to say that these people “don’t” deserve pastoral care???
 
I wonder where certain social liberals will twist his words to say that these people “don’t” deserve pastoral care???
Probably nowhere. Social liberals, like myself, very much WANT to hear the Pope say that pastoral care is appropriate for everyone, especially those who struggle with gender and sexual concerns. What I am hearing is that you can’t have a pastoral relationship if you aren’t connected in some way to the Church. Therefore, all are welcome in the Church. And the Church will ‘accompany’ you throughout your life.

It sounds positive to me.
 
Jesus certainly will not say, ‘Go away because you are homosexual.’ No.
On a recent thread on the Non-Catholic Religions forum, I commented that the “ex-gay movement” appears to be much larger among Evangelical Protestants than I used to think it was. Now I’m trying to imagine what kind of field day they will have with the above statement.
 
Probably nowhere. Social liberals, like myself, very much WANT to hear the Pope say that pastoral care is appropriate for everyone, especially those who struggle with gender and sexual concerns.
What’s amazing is that people would even doubt, to begin with, that the Pope believes that.
 
The term ‘pastoral care’ is being used to justify all sorts of sinful behavior. It’s being used to destroy the fact that there is objective truth and grievous sin. The term ‘pastoral care’ is also being used to say that conscience is supreme. Forget about a well formed conscience stemming from understanding of Church teaching! No, it’s up to everyone individually and every priest individually as if it were a democracy. The term ‘pastoral care’ needs to be explained to a tee or the term needs to be done away with.

Servant of God, Fr.John Hardon claimed the magazine American Catholic was not a true Catholic magazine. That was 15 years ago, not sure if they have changed but just be careful.
 
This Pope is a truly wonderful man. We are so blessed to have him.
 
Probably nowhere. Social liberals, like myself, very much WANT to hear the Pope say that pastoral care is appropriate for everyone, especially those who struggle with gender and sexual concerns. What I am hearing is that you can’t have a pastoral relationship if you aren’t connected in some way to the Church. Therefore, all are welcome in the Church. And the Church will ‘accompany’ you throughout your life.

It sounds positive to me.
I’m pretty sure anybody can go chat with a priest for pastoral care.

Of course, you’ll get farther with that if you approach the priest with more “I want to turn away from my sinful life and be what Christ leads me to be” and less “I want to run a train of dudes on the altar and if you don’t bless that while performing a wedding service for all of us then you’re a bigot”.
 
I have, Peter. Thank you for reminding me of it though. It is very well written. I would like to see it updated (it’s 20 years old) and address marriage and families that are formed from those marriages, some with children, some without.

It should also address transgendered young people (since the Message is primarily for parents).

But pastorally, I think it has a very compassionate tenor about it.
 
Thank you, ComplineSanFran. It’s something else that I would love for Evangelicals to read. (Well, except that the hardcore ones would probably just use it to reinforce their condemnations against Catholicism.)
 
Sounds like the pope is simply stating Catholic thinking which should be obvious to everyone.

Perhaps he is targeting social liberals who often imagine an enemy that is not there and then denigrate real people because of their imaginings?

It is a good strategy and his lack of references to vague unspecified “fundamentalist clergy” etc is an interesting change,

If he wants to educate social liberals then i am all for his comments. Not referring to vague ‘hardlline Catholics’ seems to be more healthy in that it doesn’t indulge their imaginings about the church which was counter-productive and had Catholics confused about who he was talking about.

This approach is much better. Good on pope Francis. 👍
 
Sounds like the pope is simply stating Catholic thinking which should be obvious to anyone.
Is seems that the more time passes, the more I lower my expectations for what should be “obvious to anyone”.

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I have, Peter. Thank you for reminding me of it though. It is very well written. I would like to see it updated (it’s 20 years old) and address marriage and families that are formed from those marriages, some with children, some without.
I also came across this response to it which expresses “disappointment in the bishops’ continued distinction between homosexual orientation and activity”.

Yikes.

But that’s not only disturbing but also baffling, if you realize that the source, DignityUSA, is not a Evangelical-Fundamentalist group or a “traditionalist Catholic” group but rather an ultra-liberal group.

“The war on celibate gays” indeed, only not coming from ultra-conservatives.
 
I don’t understand when he says “gender theory” is being taught in school.
What exactly does he mean by Gender Theory? Does he mean how people’s mental gender identity is formed via the world around them?
Teaching is not only taught by curriculum. If a school allows boys in the girls locker rooms and bathrooms, and visa versa, that this teaches and promotes the transgender theory
 
Sounds like the pope is simply stating Catholic thinking which should be obvious to everyone.

Perhaps he is targeting social liberals who often imagine an enemy that is not there and then denigrate real people because of their imaginings?

It is a good strategy and his lack of references to vague unspecified “fundamentalist clergy” etc is an interesting change,

If he wants to educate social liberals then i am all for his comments. Not referring to vague ‘hardlline Catholics’ seems to be more healthy in that it doesn’t indulge their imaginings about the church which was counter-productive and had Catholics confused about who he was talking about.

This approach is much better. Good on pope Francis. 👍
So the bullying, harassment and murder of LGBT people are just figments of their imaginations? I can see how you would take great satisfaction in feeling as though the pope is simply scolding social liberals if your faith is so shallow that it takes pleasure such things, but from what I’ve seen on these forums there are many here who need to listen and confess their own sins against the LGBT community much like the old priest he spoke of.
 
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