Pope Francis' Gentle Revolution: Inside Rolling Stone's New Issue

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RS is writing what they sense a lot of others are thinking, unfortunately.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
It is always odd to me when someone does not agree with the Pope or if what he said does not line up with personal beliefs how the Pope must have been mistaken.🤷 That goes for both conservative and liberal branches. Perhaps, just perhaps, what the Pope said and what his position is is quite Catholic.:eek: It will come to light more and more as this pontificate ages that what many laud as the “pope of hope and change” is in fact. Catholic.

I always wonder about those who say the Pope said this or that, in regards to abortion or homosexuality, just exactly what their own personal beliefs are. It seems, those who are not really pro life, think he said something that he did not. They are not the type of people who seem to educate about life issues, or who seem to evangelize at all.🤷 Usually these people will have some beef with the CHurch on a life issue, homosexual issue, or just a moral secular issue more than a religious one.

I wonder, what are your views on homosexual marriage, adoption, and abortion and contraception. And do they line up with the Pope?

Are you willing to put the study you cited ahead of the wisdom of the Church? Are you saying that homosexual couples should adopt?
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People have accused liberals of misquoting the Pope or reading in things that aren’t there. They also blame the liberal media for mistranslations. I think that goes both ways. I think that what he says is more nuanced than most people realize, especially when looking at the totality of his interviews, speeches,writings, etc.

As far as your other post goes, I’m not sure what the Pope is saying. The response that you attributed to him seemed too simple, too flat. It lacked his signature thoughtfulness in the face of contrary evidence. Perhaps because your reference lacks context? I don’t know. As you said, we’ll find out in time. One commenter above mentioned the Pope’s response to a question as to his position on family life issues. He responded that he was a son of the Church. That is exactly what I’ve said when faced with issues I disagree with but had to accept as a member of the church. I thought it too funny that he used those exact words. I think there is a duality there and it’s manifesting itself in various ways. Our pope also said that a Catholic with no doubts about his faith is not being true to his faith. I’m glad that our pope can admit that he has doubt. I’ve always found doubt and its examination to be the best way to build a stronger relationship with God.

I had the opportunity of listening to a priest who was a POW. He was giving the sermon at a 1st communion mass. He told how he would say mass every day, even though he did not always have bread and he rarely had wine. He made due with whatever he had. The priest is highly regarded among the clergy. His introduction was nothing less than spectacular. I would highly doubt that our Pope would find his actions questionable or wrong. Many who are little picture people would say, that’s nice but he wasn’t really saying mass. But the big picture people, those I believe are the real keepers of the faith, would see his actions as noble and they would see his meager sacrifices filled with the grace and presence of Jesus Christ. Sometimes those who break the rules are more aligned with their faith and more in tune with God than those who do not break the rules.

We’ve had popes father children, give cover to thugs, condone rape and murders. We all know that popes are fallible even during those moments when they are not supposed to be. Pope Francis is unique and quite a breath of fresh air. He has brought hope to many and he is adept at reaching those who have lost their faith. But he is also a man, filled with faults and sins just like the rest of us. He will make mistakes. He will say the wrong things from time to time when talking with people, things that are in his heart but not aligned with his faith. We will glimpse his humanity through his strengths but also through his failings. It’s all a part of being a leader, a compassionate, passionate, human leader.
 
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People have accused liberals of misquoting the Pope or reading in things that aren’t there. They also blame the liberal media for mistranslations. I think that goes both ways. I think that what he says is more nuanced than most people realize, especially when looking at the totality of his interviews, speeches,writings, etc.

As far as your other post goes, I’m not sure what the Pope is saying. The response that you attributed to him seemed too simple, too flat. It lacked his signature thoughtfulness in the face of contrary evidence. Perhaps because your reference lacks context? I don’t know. As you said, we’ll find out in time. One commenter above mentioned the Pope’s response to a question as to his position on family life issues. He responded that he was a son of the Church. That is exactly what I’ve said when faced with issues I disagree with but had to accept as a member of the church. I thought it too funny that he used those exact words. I think there is a duality there and it’s manifesting itself in various ways. Our pope also said that a Catholic with no doubts about his faith is not being true to his faith. I’m glad that our pope can admit that he has doubt. I’ve always found doubt and its examination to be the best way to build a stronger relationship with God.

I had the opportunity of listening to a priest who was a POW. He was giving the sermon at a 1st communion mass. He told how he would say mass every day, even though he did not always have bread and he rarely had wine. He made due with whatever he had. The priest is highly regarded among the clergy. His introduction was nothing less than spectacular. I would highly doubt that our Pope would find his actions questionable or wrong. Many who are little picture people would say, that’s nice but he wasn’t really saying mass. But the big picture people, those I believe are the real keepers of the faith, would see his actions as noble and they would see his meager sacrifices filled with the grace and presence of Jesus Christ. Sometimes those who break the rules are more aligned with their faith and more in tune with God than those who do not break the rules.

We’ve had popes father children, give cover to thugs, condone rape and murders. We all know that popes are fallible even during those moments when they are not supposed to be. Pope Francis is unique and quite a breath of fresh air. He has brought hope to many and he is adept at reaching those who have lost their faith. But he is also a man, filled with faults and sins just like the rest of us. He will make mistakes. He will say the wrong things from time to time when talking with people, things that are in his heart but not aligned with his faith. We will glimpse his humanity through his strengths but also through his failings. It’s all a part of being a leader, a compassionate, passionate, human leader.
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I am confused by some things. If you think the context was different than what he said then you are free to post a reference to that. I also read into your post that you disagree with the Church on some family issues (whatever that means) Could you elaborate. A son of the Church means you are in agreement with the Church. Yet you used it to describe disagreeing. I thought my questions were simple.

Do you disagree with the Church on homosexual marriage, adoption, or abortion or contraception?

In the interest of open and honest dialogue you can say what you really think. It is ok. In fact it can help dialogue because it can let others know your POV better.

You seem to have taken some things out of context yourself. Like the Pope’s words on abortion. You should really research that. The very NEXT DAY he talked of abortion being evil. The next day! So either you (and many in the media) are misunderstanding the Pope or he is contradicting himself.🤷

You can feel free to start a thread on the validity of the Eucharist and what is needed for transubstantiation to take place. It is off topic but I can see you are mistaken about some things there. So if you want to start a thread about what is needed in a POW type situation and if a cheeto and a capri sun can become the Body and Blood. I doubt a Catholic soul in the world would doubt the sincerity and intent of the priest in question. But intent is not the only issue there. But it is hardly the issue.

You have stated quite well what you interpret HH to be saying. However, can you back it up?

Do you disagree with the Church on homosexual marriage, adoption, or abortion or contraception?
 
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