Pope Francis hailed for transcending liberal/conservative divide [CNA]

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...address_to_Congress_CNA_9_25_15.jpgWashington D.C., Sep 26, 2015 / 10:02 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis rose above party politics and challenged lawmakers to a higher standard in his Thursday address to a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress, Catholic members said. Just “his mere presence” commanded the respect of Congress, said. Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.). “The fact that he is the successor of St. Peter validates the dignity of the institution and commands that everyone rise above petty partisanship and the rancor,” he told CNA.

“This day Congress took a pause from divisions and focused on higher things.”

The Pope called the members to a higher standard of governance, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) said. “I love the way he set high expectations for us,” he said in a written statement after the Pope’s address.

Thursday marked the first time a Pope ever addressed a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress, and members expressed their awe at the spectacle. The very event would have been “unthinkable” even two generations ago given the history of anti-Catholicism in the U.S., said Dr. Charles Comosy, a theology professor at Fordham University.

“It was really almost unreal to see the Pope walking into the House Chamber,” said Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.), “coming into the place that I work.” With the audience dressed mostly in dark colors and Pope Francis in white, “it was like he was glowing,” Lipinski added.

Pope Francis’ lengthy address touched upon themes of dialogue and respect for human life, the environment, and the family. He was interrupted repeatedly by applause even after members had been told not to applaud or cheer during the speech.

It was not a partisan speech, noted Rep. Fortenberry, but one “that pointed to the dignity of persons and the necessity of just structures that lead to the well-being of persons.”

We cannot “try and parse everything that he said to see where it fits on the political spectrum,” said Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.). For example, if Pope Francis “is talking about the economy, he’s talking about the morality of an economy,” she said, not the politics of it.

“He didn’t come here to talk about whether there should be a capital gains tax increase. He took our own values, and elevated them and made everyone see that the intrinsic values of our country have high moral standing, but we have to live up to that,” she added.

Dr. Comosy agreed. The speech, he said, did not follow “our lazy binary categories of liberal or conservative.”

As an example, he noted the Pope’s praise of Catholic social activist Dorothy Day, who “at once stood unbelievably firmly against abortion and would go to the mat against nuclear weapons and would welcome the poor into her home, a house of hospitality, but would be very skeptical of government programs.”

She does not fit the traditional liberal-conservative mold, and “that’s one reason why he invoked her,” Camosy said.

If viewed purely on the surface, the address could be interpreted as slightly left-leaning, said Dr. Chad Pecknold, theology professor at the Catholic University of America, in the sense that it “seemed to re-order the priorities in favor of what the left has been prioritized most” like care for the environment, immigration, and abolishing the death penalty.

However, he explained, it is in fact neither liberal nor conservative because it is foremost the speech of a pastor. It is up to the members of Congress to make policy from the principles laid out by Pope Francis – care for the human person and the environment and dialogue.

“Republicans on the right who can articulate conservative policy around the universal issues that Pope Francis identifies have the most to gain,” he added.

Congressmen loved the Pope’s appreciation for U.S. history and culture, expressed in his praise for four Americans – President Abraham Lincoln, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Dorothy Day, and Trappist monk and spiritual author Thomas Merton – for their exemplary character in helping “build a better future.”

He “really took in the history of our country,” remarked Rep. Lipinski.
Pope Francis exemplified “the brilliance of the Jesuits,” said Rep. Eshoo, “in this intellect that he has, that he would have taken Lincoln, King, Day, and Merton and woven the thread of each and what they represented to our country.”

By invoking these American heroes, Sen. Kaine said, Pope Francis told America that “you are a great nation and you’ve had great leaders.”
“This is who we are as a people. And in a world that still has huge needs, we have a unique role to do something about it,” he said.

Members were also touched by Pope Francis invoking the “Golden Rule” of “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (Mt 7:12).

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That article is written so well. I almost felt that I was there during the speech soaking up the atmosphere of awe. That’s the thing about Pope Francis… I’ve heard it said that to be in his presence is something altogether more meaningful than reading his words or getting him second hand through media. I’m thoroughly jealous of every American this week.
 
I consider myself a conservative but I’ve grown sick with how the Right in this country has attacked the Pope. * They listen to what the Pope says like they listen to a politician when they should be listening to the Pope as one listens to a pastor. I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith. I expected this from Leftist politicians in America, but not so much from the Right who have traditionally been more devout.

I admit that the way in which I’ve heard some of the Pope’s comments has disturbed me and made me question my own political beliefs and motivations, but then again, is not the Gospel disturbing for those of us who are not fully living it out? We feel disturbed in part because we feel called to follow the Gospel more fully, but then reflect on the way we actually live and act and see a saddening disparity between what we do and what we ought to do.

What I love about Pope Francis’s message is that I feel like he has renewed my own sense of empathy for the most vulnerable among us. I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.*
 
I consider myself a conservative but I’ve grown sick with how the Right in this country has attacked the Pope. * They listen to what the Pope says like they listen to a politician when they should be listening to the Pope as one listens to a pastor. I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith. I expected this from Leftist politicians in America, but not so much from the Right who have traditionally been more devout.

I admit that the way in which I’ve heard some of the Pope’s comments has disturbed me and made me question my own political beliefs and motivations, but then again, is not the Gospel disturbing for those of us who are not fully living it out? We feel disturbed in part because we feel called to follow the Gospel more fully, but then reflect on the way we actually live and act and see a saddening disparity between what we do and what we ought to do.

What I love about Pope Francis’s message is that I feel like he has renewed my own sense of empathy for the most vulnerable among us. I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.*

Well said.
Mary.
 
I consider myself a conservative but I’ve grown sick with how the Right in this country has attacked the Pope. * They listen to what the Pope says like they listen to a politician when they should be listening to the Pope as one listens to a pastor. I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith. I expected this from Leftist politicians in America, but not so much from the Right who have traditionally been more devout.

I admit that the way in which I’ve heard some of the Pope’s comments has disturbed me and made me question my own political beliefs and motivations, but then again, is not the Gospel disturbing for those of us who are not fully living it out? We feel disturbed in part because we feel called to follow the Gospel more fully, but then reflect on the way we actually live and act and see a saddening disparity between what we do and what we ought to do.

What I love about Pope Francis’s message is that I feel like he has renewed my own sense of empathy for the most vulnerable among us. I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.*

Who is doing the attacking now?

Many on the right are some of the most significant contributors to charity, and they are some of the most staunch defenders of innocent human persons in the womb.

The most vulnerable among us are babies in the womb–who speaks for them?

Where are the definitive and flowery speeches calling for an immediate end to the slaughter of all unborn innocents?

Where is the powerful call to have an enhanced empathy toward the unborn?

Where are the high-powered calls to action to end legal abortion?

Jesus said, let our yes be yes, and our no be no. Which seems to mean we are to speak plainly and direct. Where is the plain and direct and easy to understand call to end the war on the unborn?

Why must so many on the right feel as if they are left to wage that fight for unborn lives without a higher help?

How many more babies most be torn apart for their body parts before we hear such a call?

If we choose to address climate change, while shoving the abortion issue farther down the list of priorities, haven’t we in fact lost our collective soul? If we lose our collective soul, does the climate matter at all?

When we proclaim creation itself has rights and must be protected, while refusing to forcefully proclaim the need to end the slaughter of unborn innocents–what sort of people does that make us?

If we accept that mothers can have their own child killed, than why would we care (other than simple self interest) if people kill the environment?
 
I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith.
This disturbs me in general about CAF, especially in the discussions in ‘World News’.
I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.
The lack of empathy has disturbed me a lot as well. Of course, Obamacare and the Senate Immigration Bill (that has died in the House) may not be optimal and have their own moral issues, but how can many Catholics think such really mean things about universal healthcare and the immigration issue in general? The Pope would certainly disapprove. Pope Benedict, his predecessor, said that universal healthcare is a human right. The US Bishops have clearly spoken in favor of immigration, and some even approved of Obama’s executive actions.
 
Who is doing the attacking now?

Many on the right are some of the most significant contributors to charity, and they are some of the most staunch defenders of innocent human persons in the womb.

The most vulnerable among us are babies in the womb–who speaks for them?

Where are the definitive and flowery speeches calling for an immediate end to the slaughter of all unborn innocents?

Where is the powerful call to have an enhanced empathy toward the unborn?

Where are the high-powered calls to action to end legal abortion?

Jesus said, let our yes be yes, and our no be no. Which seems to mean we are to speak plainly and direct. Where is the plain and direct and easy to understand call to end the war on the unborn?

Why must so many on the right feel as if they are left to wage that fight for unborn lives without a higher help?

How many more babies most be torn apart for their body parts before we hear such a call?

If we choose to address climate change, while shoving the abortion issue farther down the list of priorities, haven’t we in fact lost our collective soul? If we lose our collective soul, does the climate matter at all?

When we proclaim creation itself has rights and must be protected, while refusing to forcefully proclaim the need to end the slaughter of unborn innocents–what sort of people does that make us?

If we accept that mothers can have their own child killed, than why would we care (other than simple self interest) if people kill the environment?
We each have our own ministries. To say your ministry is the only viable one is to deny God’s plan for others. Yes, preventing abortion is important. But so is educating children in the faith, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, raising children, providing a healthy environment for our children and grandchildren, etc.

As it says in the Bible, each of us are given different gifts from the Holy Spirit. Why are you denigrating those who been given different gifts and goals than you’ve been given?
 
We each have our own ministries. To say your ministry is the only viable one is to deny God’s plan for others. Yes, preventing abortion is important. But so is educating children in the faith, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, raising children, providing a healthy environment for our children and grandchildren, etc.

As it says in the Bible, each of us are given different gifts from the Holy Spirit. Why are you denigrating those who been given different gifts and goals than you’ve been given?
I, for one, am glad the conservatives factor in all of those concerns better than any other political philosophy. 👍👍👍
 
I, for one, am glad the conservatives factor in all of those concerns better than any other political philosophy. 👍👍👍
Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion. It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
 
Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion. It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
You even get hostile aggression if you suggest that these issues are also ‘pro-life’ issues, which even the Church labels them.
 
You even get hostile aggression if you suggest that these issues are also ‘pro-life’ issues, which even the Church labels them.
Yes. Have you read the quote from Sr Joan Chittister that seems to be making its way around Facebook and Twitter? It resonated with me the first time I read it and has ever since.

‘I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.’

My experience here on CAF is that the words I hear are ‘pro-birth’. What I heard from the Pope again and again was ‘take care of all life - the poor, the immigrant, the sick, those different from you.’ There is a difference in the two and I believe that most people who heard him - Catholic or non - responded to being asked to care for all.
 
We each have our own ministries. To say your ministry is the only viable one is to deny God’s plan for others. Yes, preventing abortion is important. But so is educating children in the faith, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, raising children, providing a healthy environment for our children and grandchildren, etc.

As it says in the Bible, each of us are given different gifts from the Holy Spirit. Why are you denigrating those who been given different gifts and goals than you’ve been given?
I do not understand your respond. It seems to having nothing at all to do with my post.

Help? 🙂
 
Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion. It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
Ironic that you mention Mother Teresa, considering she warned as that nuclear war is the fruit of abortion.
 
Yes. Have you read the quote from Sr Joan Chittister that seems to be making its way around Facebook and Twitter? It resonated with me the first time I read it and has ever since.

‘I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.’

My experience here on CAF is that the words I hear are ‘pro-birth’. What I heard from the Pope again and again was ‘take care of all life - the poor, the immigrant, the sick, those different from you.’ There is a difference in the two and I believe that most people who heard him - Catholic or non - responded to being asked to care for all.
You are correct. People have suggested that one should support pro-life issues over anything else and let Catholic Charities take care of everything else. And just where is Catholic Charities supposed to get workers and money if everyone is only concerned with abortion issues?
 
Yes. Have you read the quote from Sr Joan Chittister that seems to be making its way around Facebook and Twitter? It resonated with me the first time I read it and has ever since.

‘I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.’

My experience here on CAF is that the words I hear are ‘pro-birth’. What I heard from the Pope again and again was ‘take care of all life - the poor, the immigrant, the sick, those different from you.’ There is a difference in the two and I believe that most people who heard him - Catholic or non - responded to being asked to care for all.
I love that quote from Sister Joan. I read a blog post the other day that reminded me of that quote. A woman who has 10 children, some of them foster children, was in a grocery store with 5 of her kids. At the checkout counter the kids were being a handful and someone behind her said, “Some people should stop having kids.” When she was loading up her car, she saw the couple who said that come out and get into a car with a pro-life sticker on it. Here’s the post if you’re interested…medium.com/@tracischmidley/are-you-really-pro-life-ab5c5acbb293
 
You are correct. People have suggested that one should support pro-life issues over anything else and let Catholic Charities take care of everything else. And just where is Catholic Charities supposed to get workers and money if everyone is only concerned with abortion issues?
Sally, I am on the progressive side of politics (and theology too, if that matters) and I am trying very hard to listen to people here. I do want to understand. But I am one who looks as a living human being and sees the need for care and health and family (however that may look), education and protection against harm. That takes a lot of resources and hard work from individuals as well as government. AND our charities. What is happening to our abandoned children whilst people are getting all worked up over abortion? Perhaps if we all put efforts into the children who exist, it might make a difference.
 
I love that quote from Sister Joan. I read a blog post the other day that reminded me of that quote. A woman who has 10 children, some of them foster children, was in a grocery store with 5 of her kids. At the checkout counter the kids were being a handful and someone behind her said, “Some people should stop having kids.” When she was loading up her car, she saw the couple who said that come out and get into a car with a pro-life sticker on it. Here’s the post if you’re interested…medium.com/@tracischmidley/are-you-really-pro-life-ab5c5acbb293
Songcatcher, that is a fine story. Thank you. I want to support the men and women who choose to foster and adopt our neglected and abandoned children. They are the best.
 
You even get hostile aggression if you suggest that these issues are also ‘pro-life’ issues, which even the Church labels them.
Completely agree. Part of the problem appears to be the fact that everything in the US is a battle between liberal and conservative and one has to sign up to all the expected baggage that comes with each. No room for individual or nuanced thought. In those circumstances Pope Francis did brilliantly to transcend this madness and deliver the Gospel message.
 
Completely agree. Part of the problem appears to be the fact that everything in the US is a battle between liberal and conservative and one has to sign up to all the expected baggage that comes with each. No room for individual or nuanced thought. In those circumstances Pope Francis did brilliantly to transcend this madness and deliver the Gospel message.
He did, didn’t he? Yet I hear people wanting to pick out snippets of speeches and sermons that say, ‘See, he’s on OUR side!’
 
The lack of empathy has disturbed me a lot as well. Of course, Obamacare and the Senate Immigration Bill (that has died in the House) may not be optimal and have their own moral issues, but how can many Catholics think such really mean things about universal healthcare and the immigration issue in general? The Pope would certainly disapprove. Pope Benedict, his predecessor, said that universal healthcare is a human right. The US Bishops have clearly spoken in favor of immigration, and some even approved of Obama’s executive actions.
Because universal healthcare doesn’t work, and far as empathy is concerned, well, let’s just say there’s a time and a place for it, but many of us know that progressive activists use emotions to further their agenda because they can’t win on an even playing field.

The whole “you must not care if you don’t agree with my progressive solution” is also old and worn out.

As far as immigration is concerned, the Vatican has stated that a balance between sovereign rights and compassion is needed.
 
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