Pope Francis hailed for transcending liberal/conservative divide [CNA]

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Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion. It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
Sorry, it isn’t, and people can do use that as excuse to vote for anti-life, anti-freedom, anti–marriage candidates.

But that doesn’t mean the other issues cannot be discussed.

Also, the only people I know of who didn’t like Mother Theresa seemed to be secular liberals upset with her that she wasn’t trained like an RN.
 
Because universal healthcare doesn’t work,
Myth. It works very, very well in European countries like Austria, Germany and the Netherlands where I have lived from being a small child (I was born in the US) until age 34 when I moved to the US. But you wouldn’t know that if you only read right-wing websites that misinform you.
 
Myth. It works very, very well in European countries like Austria, Germany and the Netherlands where I have lived from being a small child (I was born in the US) until age 34 when I moved to the US. But you wouldn’t know that if you only read right-wing websites that misinform you.
:rolleyes:

Like these “right-wing” sites?

city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/25/science/la-sci-sn-rich-favored-over-poor-in-canada-healthcare-20130225
 
Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion. It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
Well said - The Pope opens our ears and hopefully our hearts as he did in his address to congress:

The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development. This conviction has led me, from the beginning of my ministry, to advocate at different levels for the global abolition of the death penalty. I am convinced that this way is the best, since every life is sacred, every human person is endowed with an inalienable dignity, and society can only benefit from the rehabilitation of those convicted of crimes. Recently my brother bishops here in the United States renewed their call for the abolition of the death penalty. Not only do I support them, but I also offer encouragement to all those who are convinced that a just and necessary punishment must never exclude the dimension of hope and the goal of rehabilitation.
 
Perhaps. But if you mention anything other than anti-abortion issues on CAF, someone will tell you how that issue is not as important as abortion.
I haven’t experience this. Anti-abortion may be the largest topic, if not one of the largest topic, talked on CAF but I recall no large amount of members saying what you state
It is rather insulting to other ministries. I sometimes wonder if those people would dislike Mother Theresa because she helped the poor of India instead of just concentrating on abortion issues.
Granted her Missionaries of Charity was dedicated to help the poorest of the poors, I don’t think anyone whose aware of that would protest her work.
 
I consider myself a conservative but I’ve grown sick with how the Right in this country has attacked the Pope. * They listen to what the Pope says like they listen to a politician when they should be listening to the Pope as one listens to a pastor. I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith. I expected this from Leftist politicians in America, but not so much from the Right who have traditionally been more devout.

I admit that the way in which I’ve heard some of the Pope’s comments has disturbed me and made me question my own political beliefs and motivations, but then again, is not the Gospel disturbing for those of us who are not fully living it out? We feel disturbed in part because we feel called to follow the Gospel more fully, but then reflect on the way we actually live and act and see a saddening disparity between what we do and what we ought to do.

What I love about Pope Francis’s message is that I feel like he has renewed my own sense of empathy for the most vulnerable among us. I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.*

Eh, what exactly do you mean when you say, “I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say”? Immigration? Healthcare? Global warming? Welfare state?

What I’ve observed of The Right, those that hold semi-anti-Catholic views and that Pope Bash, is that many who treat the Pope like an outright politician tend to fall into two camps: the first, people are who cultural Catholics aka name only and second, people who have fallen away and no longer practice. And there’s people like me who disagree with him who are neither name only nor fallen away.

I do see where The Right is coming from, but what they fail to don’t understand is that the Pope is not a political figure like a politician is.

In saying that his near silence on the legalization of same-sex “marriage” in once staunch Catholic Ireland and in America is telling, among other things.

The Pope hasn’t challenged my beliefs since I already came from a more liberal political bent, into a more socially and fiscally conservative worldview.
 
Yes. Have you read the quote from Sr Joan Chittister that seems to be making its way around Facebook and Twitter? It resonated with me the first time I read it and has ever since.

‘I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.’

My experience here on CAF is that the words I hear are ‘pro-birth’. What I heard from the Pope again and again was ‘take care of all life - the poor, the immigrant, the sick, those different from you.’ There is a difference in the two and I believe that most people who heard him - Catholic or non - responded to being asked to care for all.
Quoting Chittister is like someone quoting Fr. James Martin, S.J., when it comes to same-sex “marriage.”
 
Myth. It works very, very well in European countries like Austria, Germany and the Netherlands where I have lived from being a small child (I was born in the US) until age 34 when I moved to the US. But you wouldn’t know that if you only read right-wing websites that misinform you.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. The US populations dwarfs all three said countries combined. Add in the ethnic diversity with US’s massive immigration pull and you get a completely different set of atmosphere.

bold: As opposed to?
 
I consider myself a conservative but I’ve grown sick with how the Right in this country has attacked the Pope. * They listen to what the Pope says like they listen to a politician when they should be listening to the Pope as one listens to a pastor. I’ve watched with a lot of sadness as many on the Right seem to put American political ideologies before their faith. I expected this from Leftist politicians in America, but not so much from the Right who have traditionally been more devout.

I admit that the way in which I’ve heard some of the Pope’s comments has disturbed me and made me question my own political beliefs and motivations, but then again, is not the Gospel disturbing for those of us who are not fully living it out? We feel disturbed in part because we feel called to follow the Gospel more fully, but then reflect on the way we actually live and act and see a saddening disparity between what we do and what we ought to do.

What I love about Pope Francis’s message is that I feel like he has renewed my own sense of empathy for the most vulnerable among us. I think many on the American Right (where I place myself politically) would do well to develop their own sense of empathy when listening to what the Pope has to say.*

Some of the things that are being proposed in the Church have little or nothing to do with the gospel. They are calls for unneeded government policies and collective action, based on misrepresentations of Catholic moral teachings and a senseless idea of mercy, and on false scientific theories. That is what disturbs many people. The main themes of the gospel are the coming of the kingdom of God and the need for repentance and that Jesus is the Son of God and has sacrificed himself for our sins and has been resurrected, and that we will have eternal salvation if we believe in him.
 
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