Pope Francis: Half-hearted Catholics aren't really Catholics at all

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I don’t quite follow what he means by business and exploiting and benefactors. Anyone care to explain that one?
My perception of that is, some people in the Church only associate and see the Church as a social network, where they can make business contacts and basically market themselves, but dont see the Church for what it really is.
 
My perception of that is, some people in the Church only associate and see the Church as a social network, where they can make business contacts and basically market themselves, but dont see the Church for what it really is.
Oh ok. I see now. Thanks.
 
Because he didnt.

That was the OP’s choice of title for the thread. Not what the Holy Father said. 🙂
Actually, that was the headline of the article from CNS, the news service run by the US Bishop’s conference.
 
I wonder if he was referring to organized crime in part…especially in Italy with the Mafia…I suspect many of those involved use the church as a prop… attending mass to impress others…or just because it’s part of their cultural tradition…being seen as great benefactors yet at the same time involved in all sort of nefarious activities…
 
I wonder if he was referring to organized crime in part…especially in Italy with the Mafia…I suspect many of those involved use the church as a prop… attending mass to impress others…or just because it’s part of their cultural tradition…being seen as great benefactors yet at the same time involved in all sort of nefarious activities…
Good point!
 
I don’t quite follow what he means by business and exploiting and benefactors. Anyone care to explain that one?
This is a type less common in the US today than previously, and probably still known in other parts of the world: the one who promotes his business via the Church, who is involved in the Church for the purpose of networking and persuading people to use his product or service rather than another’s. Of course, not everyone who volunteers is like that!
 
My perception of that is, some people in the Church only associate and see the Church as a social network, where they can make business contacts and basically market themselves, but dont see the Church for what it really is.
You are right, and Im glad the pope is addressing this, lets hope it trickles down to all the local parishes, but I have a feeling it wont, Id imagine priests do not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable by bringing this up.

Once big difference between catholics and other denominations Ive noticed, as Ive spent alot of time with people who belong to a variety of churches…when people from a particular church are out in public, or socializing somewhere, most catholics I know and have been around rarely, if ever talk about the bible, Jesus, or anything related to the religion, and instead talk like totally secular people. The catholics I know rarely, if ever bring up the topic to strangers, or invite others to come. Ive been at the same parish since i was a child and I like to watch how people behave and act outside of church and from what Ive seen many, many people are ‘fence sitters’ or fair weather catholics’.

I tend to think the ‘fair weather catholics’ are a larger problem though, they may come to church, but if it came down to them having to act or defend the faith, I doubt most of them would, or even could do this, I think they are too involved in the secular world and overly concerned with obeying mans law, and Gods law comes second to them. Many of them like to think the simple act of just going to church is going to save their souls, but once they are out the door, they are back to living for the world, I have NEVER once heard the many gatherings after mass speaking or discussing the bible, Jesus, etc. all of them are talking about their lives, the world, work, kids, etc. but when I was in the Pentecostal church, it was the complete opposite, it was refreshing to actually see people living their faith and not just wearing it, like many catholics tend to do.
 
Cheer up, it wasn’t directed at you specifically; I have no idea what kind of person you are.

My observation was simply that many of those who use the term “cafeteria Catholic” a lot often (not always, not necessarily you) have a tendency of labelling people as if they belonged to group 2, even if they don’t. Too many confuse orthodoxy and conservatism these days.

I prefer to think I belong to neither group, but in reality, we all fall into one or both of them at times. They’re both the product of basic human flaws.
Can you define these two groups? How are they different? 🙂
 
Can you define these two groups? How are they different? 🙂
Pope: Half-hearted Catholics aren't really Catholics at all:
The first group, he said, believe that everyone in the church should be just like them. “They are rigid! They do not have that freedom the Holy Spirit gives,” and they confuse what Jesus preached with their “own doctrine of uniformity.”

“Jesus never wanted the church to be so rigid,” Pope Francis said. Such people “call themselves Catholics, but their rigid attitude distances them from the church.”
Pope: Half-hearted Catholics aren't really Catholics at all:
The second group, those with alternative teachings and doctrines, “has a partial belonging to the church. These, too, have one foot outside the church,” he said. “They rent the church,” not recognizing that its teaching is based on the preaching of Jesus and the apostolic tradition.
These first two groups are related.

Group 1 individuals think they are attacking what they perceive are Group 2 individuals when in fact they are not.

Group 2 individuals think they are free to ignore what they perceive are Group 1 individuals when in fact they are not.
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I have an insight into the Catholic way of living out their faith:

Because of the sacramental nature of their faith,
Catholic’s convictions RUN DEEP, while Evangelical Protestants
are like a DRIBBLING BROOK.
Catholics have a visceral loyalty to FAMILY and TRADITION.
 
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