Pope Francis kicks off Mideast peace summit of prayer

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foofydo said:
2 Corinthians 6:14-18…3 John 1:11
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Ah. Private interpretation. First, a summit, meeting or passing seminar is not a “yoke”. Second, what is “evil” really just begs the question. For that matter, comparing the Islam to paganism also begs the question. The Catholic Church understanding is that they at least worship the same God, even if their view of God is more incomplete.
 
foofydo said:
They do not worship the same God.
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I didn’t know there was more than one.

From the Catechism:

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and** together with us they adore the one, merciful God,** mankind’s judge on the last day
 
Ephesians 4:4-6. John 17:3. Timothy 2:5. Hosea 14:4
Yes there is only one God…he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for ALL our sins.

Muslims believe Jesus is just a prophet…
I think that is a huge deal.

Again I will say…Muslims don’t worship the same God.
 
foofydo said:
Muslims believe Jesus is just a prophet…
I think that is a huge deal.

Again I will say…Muslims don’t worship the same God.
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Yes, it is a big deal and that is why they are not Christians. It does not change who God is, or what Catholics teach. Since the Pope is Catholic, one would think he would act in accordance to Catholic doctrine.
 
foofydo said:
Ephesians 4:4-6. John 17:3. Timothy 2:5. Hosea 14:4
Yes there is only one God…he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for ALL our sins.

Muslims believe Jesus is just a prophet…
I think that is a huge deal.

Again I will say…Muslims don’t worship the same God.
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Do Jews worship the same God?

No Jews in the Old Testament worshiped Jesus?

Moses, Abraham, Mary, Joseph, the prophets. None of them.

Yet they worshiped and were spoken to by God.

They worshiped the one God. They still do.

As do the Muslims.
 
I think I am going to humbly step away from this thread…
I can see where this could lead and and how could that be pleasing to God.
I hope everyone has a great day!
 
foofydo said:
I think I am going to humbly step away from this thread…
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I respect such a decision always. No one should read anything into such a decision other than the humility you expressed. Thank you for your contributions.
 
Seamus_L said:
These claims regarding controversial prayers made by the Imam at the Vatican Gardens REALLY need to be investigated. The Vatican denies they were made, but there should be an audio tape that can be examined.
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It seems the source site says that Vatican Radio (not really “the Vatican” or “the Pope”) answered that these things were not said.

The one voice found in the German website kath.net/news/46328 is a man (Hamed Abdel-Samad) who was not personally present in the Vatican gardens, but rather he heard the recorded broadcast. Since he is fluent in Arabic, having grown up in Egypt, he was immediately familiar with the passage the Imam (or sheikh?) read aloud at the end of his prayer there before the cameras in the garden.

He is not saying that he believes the pope is trying to deceive anyone, or that there is some conspiracy going on. He only says the Vatican Radio office (not the pope) answered that this reading from the Koran (2 sura, v. 286) was not part of the script. The “script” is what the Vatican website officially has which are the words used by the 3 religions that day, the Jews, the Catholics and the Muslims.
Am Dienstag bestätigte der in Ägypten geborene und aufgewachsene Hamed Abdel-Samad seinen Eintrag vom Sonntag. Radio Vatikan bestreite, dass der muslimische Geistliche für den Sieg gegen die Ungläubigen gebetet habe, schreibt er. Dann zitiert er Vers 286 aus der 2. Sure des Koran, die mit den Worten endet: „Du bist unser Schutzherr, hilf uns gegen das Volk der Ungläubigen!“ Auf Anfrage bestätigte Abdel-Samad, dass er die Zeremonie im Fernsehen verfolgt habe. Er verstehe Arabisch und kenne die zitierte Stelle aus dem Koran gut. Der Scheich habe es vielleicht gut gemeint, weil in der Stelle auch gesagt werde, dass alle Propheten gleichberechtigt seien. Sie zeige aber auch, wie problematisch Koranzitate als Legitimation für den Frieden seien, schreibt er abschließend.
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Google translation:
On Tuesday of Hamed was born and raised in Egypt. Abdel-Samad confirmed his entry from Sunday. Vatican Radio deny that the Muslim clerics have prayed for victory against the infidels, he writes. Then he quotes** verse 286 of the second sura of the Koran, which ends with the words: “You are our Protector, help us against the people of the unbelievers!” **On request confirmed Abdel-Samad, that he had followed the ceremony on television. He understood Arabic and knew the passage quoted from the Koran well. The sheikh did it perhaps well-intentioned, because’ll also told in the point that all the prophets are equal. However, they also show how problematic are the Koran quotes to legitimize the peace, he writes in conclusion.
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Perhaps it is common practice to end such prayers in Islam with this quote from 2 sura v. 286, and it might be comparable to *protestants saying, “For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever” after they finish the Our Father. *

Maybe for Muslims, 2 sura v. 286 is something like a “doxology” for protestants? I’m just guessing here but it seems to me this might not be far from the truth. What do Muslims have to say about it? I’d like to hear their explanation.
 
Jon_S said:
Do Jews worship the same God?

No Jews in the Old Testament worshiped Jesus?

Moses, Abraham, Mary, Joseph, the prophets. None of them.

Yet they worshiped and were spoken to by God.

They worshiped the one God. They still do.

As do the Muslims.
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Obviously Muslims abhor the Christian doctrine of the Blessed Trinity. They all readily admit that. They say Jesus was a ‘prophet’ – but they deny His divinity, and they deny too that He died on the Cross, or that He rose from the dead, or that He was the fulfillment of prophesy, etc.

Maybe I’m wrong but I thought that Jews and Muslims do not agree that their respective ideas of their God (or Allah) are the same. If they had been in agreement on these matters of theology, why would they have been so upset with each other for the past 1400 years? Are they only in disagreement over real estate and not theology???
 
Pancras said:
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought that Jews and Muslims do not agree that their respective ideas of their God (or Allah) are the same. If they had been in agreement on these matters of theology, why would they have been so upset with each other for the past 1400 years? Are they only in disagreement over real estate and not theology???
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The two views are not even close. Do you ever notice that the Catholic Church is always reiterating the same couple of common points? Yet even this much commonality is enough to understand that that God is still one and the same. Consider all that Abraham did not understand about God. Yet his faith in the one God was more important than his lack of understanding. Better yet, consider how truly transcendent God is and thus how little we understand about God. In our history, we have more wrong conjecture than right, and only know what little we know by God’s own revelation, not our own reasoning. Yet all our mistakes and our lack of understanding do not diminish our faith. Why? Because God reaches down to us in our limited weakness and meets all where they are. Now if God is not willing that any should perish (this He has revealed), would he not do the same for those who through no fault of their own have a greater misunderstanding of God than you or I?
 
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