Pope Francis Never Wears the Papal Choir Dress

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What do you think about Pope Francis decision of never wearing the papal choir dress (red mozzetta and rochet). It kind of strike me as a radical decision, since all catholic prelates seems to have to wear the choir dress when needed. Cardinals, bishops and priests continue to wear, but the Pope himself doesn’t. So in an important moment when you have all the cardinals with their red choir dress, the Pope is wearing just the cassock. I think it creates a kind of unbalance between the formality and solemnity of such occasions. Besides all that, it seems like a breaking of centuries of tradition. For what reason? Just to look a little bit more people-friendly maybe? I am not trying to judge, but to really understand the reasons behind that.

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He never wore publicly the choir dress as Pope as long as I know and I researched a lot.

Besides, changing the dress seems a great way to focus on the dress…
 
I am NOT judging the Holy Father… but in general terms, people always go on about how humble it is to wear simple clerics. The opposite strikes me as true. It takes humility to empty one’s self and be fully immersed into the ritual. The individual disappears and the priest emerges. On the other hand, to discard these traditions is to emphasize that I am “Joe” or “Bob”. Not judging individual intentions…it’s just how the symbolism strikes me.
 
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I honestly don’t care one way or another if he wears it or just sticks to his all-white dress all the time. Popes are allowed to have reasonable preferences in what they wish to wear in public.

To be perfectly honest I have never noticed what a Pope wore during my entire lifetime. I suppose if one showed up in a zoot suit it would get my attention, but they all seem to wear some kind of cassock type outfit and that’s about as much as I notice.
 
Pope Francis has always preferred a simpler liturgical style to that of Benedict (who, it should be noted in fairness also led a very simple lifestyle). Part of this may be personal taste, how he sees the direction of his pontificate or it may also be a reflection of his Jesuit traditions. St. Ignatius’ idea was that Jesuits should wear the dress of a “priest in good standing”. Significantly, the Jesuit Constitutions state that their clothing should be “in keeping with the poverty [they] profess.”
 
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What do you think about Pope Francis decision of never wearing the papal choir dress (red mozzetta and rochet). It kind of strike me as a radical decision, since all catholic prelates seems to have to wear the choir dress when needed.
The Pope’s is a symbol of his sovereignty, and Pope Francis seems to think that the white one used daily works fine. I think he sees us as in a time where a show of importance has taken on too much importance. It isn’t as if we live in a time (as we once did) when people saw the Pope so infrequently that they might not know who he was if he weren’t in the most splendid dress of any of the other prelates. The monarchs of Europe have also toned down the trappings of their authority in most of their public appearances, too. (Queen Elizabeth II, for example, sometimes wears her imperial robes to open Parliament and sometimes doesn’t. That is her decision and no one else’s.)

This quote from Henry IV, Part I, hints that life was a bit different when few people ever had the experience of seeing what a monarch even looked like, when sumptuous robes let people see the importance of a person from a distance in a time when an up-close view wasn’t likely or practical:
My presence, like a robe pontifical,
Ne’er seen but wonder’d at: and so my state,
Seldom but sumptuous, showed like a feast
And won by rareness such solemnity.
The skipping king, he ambled up and down
With shallow jesters and rash bavin wits…


He was but as the cuckoo is in June,
Heard, not regarded; seen, but with such eyes
As, sick and blunted with community,
Afford no extraordinary gaze,
Such as is bent on sun-like majesty
When it shines seldom in admiring eyes…

So in an important moment when you have all the cardinals with their red choir dress, the Pope is wearing just the cassock. I think it creates a kind of unbalance between the formality and solemnity of such occasions. Besides all that, it seems like a breaking of centuries of tradition. For what reason?
The same reason that Pope St. John Paul II wore brown shoes instead of red, I guess. The Pope decides what symbolism fits his papacy. He has that authority. Like Pope Benedict’s decision to abdicate before he died, the tradition that is carried on is the tradition that the Pope considers those things that are within his authority to decide unilaterally, he discerns what fits the circumstances of his papacy, and he makes the call.

We don’t live in a time where splendid dress is reserved for royalty. It shows up in Las Vegas. It doesn’t elicit awe as it once did. It is more likely to be taken as a show of glamour.

Times change and the way certain things are taken and the way clothing feels to the person wearing it changes, too.
 
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I would love though to see Pope Francis in a nice red mozzetta and shoes!
 
I get your point, I just think sometimes it gets too much simple and it is not good for the office the Pope represents. Look at the image below of the Pope with the Melkite Patriarch. While the Pope is wearing a plain green chasuble that looks like rather dull, the Melkite Patriarch is wearing a wonderful rich and elegant attire, really appropriate for his position. So, in this picture, someone who does not know the rankings, would seem that the Melkite Patriarch is the real primate there!

 
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You would think a Mass concelebrated by the Pope of Rome and the Melkite Patriarch of Antioch would be at the high altar in St Peter’s. Interesting choice. His Beatitude looks resplendent in his Byzantine vestments, but also a little out of place in this simple chapel setting (and with the Pope wearing simple vestments).
 
What do you think about Pope Francis decision
I think his decision is sound. It’s his decision to make, just as wearing his regular shoes instead of the red ones.

His entire priesthood has been one of simplicity, he was a Jesuit, after all, and chose as his new name Francis, a model of humility and simple living.

Deacon Christopher
 
Maybe one way to be humble is to just conform to the tradition and customs of the office even if you don’t agree. Just my opinion. But, of course, it’s the Holy Father decision.
 
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When I first heard he would not wear the red shoes and the fancier robes it was because he said something to the effect of wanting to be like the common man. (Or some might say humble man.)
But he is not like everyone else he is Pope Francis. Not Fr. Francis from the parish church down the street. I think by refusing to wear the “fancy stuff” he draws more attention to himself than if he just wore it.
 
You do realize he isn’t exactly breaking with “centuries of tradition” but keeping the traditions, right? Religious elected to the papacy in many ways still honor their vows as religious and maintain a certain level of “dialed down” decorum rather than all the trappings of the office other popes have used because of different charisms in their backgrounds.

No one on this forum has a living memory of another religious order pope, so it’s quite unfair to say he isn’t doing something appropriately in this regard.
 
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This is not choir dress, it is the chasuble wore during mass. The choir dress is like the image in the first post if this topic: white cassock + rochet + red mozzetta.
 
Yes, when the pope is dressed less formally than a visiting dignitary, it seems rude TBH.
 
It is his personal decision. There is enough criticism of our Holy Father in the world, to also criticize what he chooses to wear?
 
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How many rules did St. Francis change in the church?
?? St Francis was not Pope nor Bishop. He would be the first to tell you that he did not have the authority to change practices or customs.
 
I love the red and white look.

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