Pope Francis' quote, "Athiests are Redeemed if they do Good"

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Hi all:
So, I am confused yet again by the Pope. Is he misquoted? Is there something ‘deeper’ in his statements that always need to be clarified by others?

Previous statements by Pope Francis have caused quite a stir in our parish. His comment that the Church needs to ‘accept’ homosexuals, that the Church can ‘learn’ from homosexuals, needs clarification.

And now, the statement that, “GOOD WORKS done by those who do not know Christ as Savior will be the common denominator by which they are redeemed”? Does someone in his inner circle always have to follow Pope Francis to clarify his statements?

It’s one thing as an American to have a president who (in my opinion) does not uphold his oath of office, but when the Holy Father proclaims things that counter Jesus’ statements in Holy Scripture, then he is not upholding the holy orders in which he was ordained.

“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Jesus of Nazareth
 
Can you cite a link to the quotes you are wondering about?

There are many quotes claiming to be something the Pope said, only to turn out to be false. If you link to the ones you are wondering about, it will help to clear up any confusion.
 
Yes, please cite where this quote came from because I’m just as confused as you right now. 😃
 
Seems to be from a May 2013 homily in Rome, where he said,

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class. We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all. And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: We need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: We will meet one another there.”

and was reported on by many newspapers.

To me, its not that earth shattering.

Christ offers redemption to all, but it is only granted to those who***accept it ***.

This is in agreement with the Liturgy of the Eucharist, where it sates:

he took this precious chalice in his holy and venerable hands,
and once more giving you thanks, he said the blessing and gave the chalice to his disciples, saying:.
TAKE THIS, ALL OF YOU, AND DRINK FROM IT, FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, THE BLOOD OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL COVENANT, WHICH WILL BE POURED OUT FOR YOU AND FOR MANY FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME.

Again, his sacrifice was for all, but only accepted by some.

Peace and all good!
 
We Catholics know that God has no favourites…thus all other members of the human race,providing they have lived a loving and humble life,must be eligible for salvation. I’d say that we Catholics must step up to the mark and be spectacular human beings. Our humility to fellow human beings and love of same should mark us apart. Obedience to God and His commandments should mark us out as being the lowest form of life in terms of modern living…speak out against abortion, gay lifestyle,watered down marriage vows and other sacriligious practices and you invite verbal abuse and insults…but then,so did Jesus!
So battle on with hope and never despair!
Jesus, I trust in you
 
Gailgirl said:
Hi all:
So, I am confused yet again by the Pope. Is he misquoted? Is there something ‘deeper’ in his statements that always need to be clarified by others?

Previous statements by Pope Francis have caused quite a stir in our parish. His comment that the Church needs to ‘accept’ homosexuals, that the Church can ‘learn’ from homosexuals, needs clarification.

And now, the statement that, “GOOD WORKS done by those who do not know Christ as Savior will be the common denominator by which they are redeemed”? Does someone in his inner circle always have to follow Pope Francis to clarify his statements?

It’s one thing as an American to have a president who (in my opinion) does not uphold his oath of office, but when the Holy Father proclaims things that counter Jesus’ statements in Holy Scripture, then he is not upholding the holy orders in which he was ordained.

“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Jesus of Nazareth
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I don’t believe that’s what he said. Can you point the the actual text of his speach?
 
Neofight said:
Seems to be from a May 2013 homily in Rome, where he said,

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class. We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all. And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: We need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: We will meet one another there.”

and was reported on by many newspapers.

To me, its not that earth shattering.

Christ offers redemption to all, but it is only granted to those who***accept it ***.

This is in agreement with the Liturgy of the Eucharist, where it sates:

he took this precious chalice in his holy and venerable hands,
and once more giving you thanks, he said the blessing and gave the chalice to his disciples, saying:.
TAKE THIS, ALL OF YOU, AND DRINK FROM IT, FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, **THE BLOOD OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL COVENANT, WHICH WILL BE POURED OUT FOR YOU AND FOR MANY **FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME.

Again, his sacrifice was for all, but only accepted by some.

Peace and all good!
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I always hear “for you and for all” in the liturgy.
 
Gailgirl said:
Previous statements by Pope Francis have caused quite a stir in our parish. His comment that the Church needs to ‘accept’ homosexuals, that the Church can ‘learn’ from homosexuals, needs clarification.
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No problem. 👍

Let me ask you, Gail… are you a sinner? (The answer is obvious, of course – we’re all sinners.)

So, should the Church reject you, given your sins? Should it reject you, given the temptations that you face?

Of course not. And neither should the Church fail to accept homosexual persons.

Now… this doesn’t mean that we should accept sin or sinfulness; but we cannot reject people simply because they sin.

Does that help?
 
Andre1000 said:
I always hear “for you and for all” in the liturgy.
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What I printed was a cut and paste from the Roman Missal 3rd edition…I may be wrong but I think it changed with the other changes a few years ago.
 
Neofight said:
What I printed was a cut and paste from the Roman Missal 3rd edition…I may be wrong but I think it changed with the other changes a few years ago.
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Depends on the language. The English translation was repaired, but for example the Spanish still says “por todos”.
 
Gailgirl said:
Hi all:
So, I am confused yet again by the Pope. Is he misquoted? Is there something ‘deeper’ in his statements that always need to be clarified by others?

Previous statements by Pope Francis have caused quite a stir in our parish. His comment that the Church needs to ‘accept’ homosexuals, that the Church can ‘learn’ from homosexuals, needs clarification.

And now, the statement that, “GOOD WORKS done by those who do not know Christ as Savior will be the common denominator by which they are redeemed”? Does someone in his inner circle always have to follow Pope Francis to clarify his statements?

It’s one thing as an American to have a president who (in my opinion) does not uphold his oath of office, but when the Holy Father proclaims things that counter Jesus’ statements in Holy Scripture, then he is not upholding the holy orders in which he was ordained.

“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Jesus of Nazareth
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Did he actually use the word ‘atheists’ ?? The Church has always taught that those who have never known about Jesus Christ or even God, when they die they will be judged according to them living their life the best they could according to the natural laws placed in the heart of every human being. Those who deny God or Jesus Christ are a different matter. They choose to deny Him and aren’t willing to learn the truth. Thank God, only HE can judge a soul. God Bless, Memaw
 
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