Pope Francis received Bp. Fellay, SSPX Superior General

[McCall1981]

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/05/rorate-exclusive-pope-francis-received.html?m=1

Rorate has learned and can exclusively confirm that Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint Pie X - FSSPX / SSPX), was received by Pope Francis in the Domus Sanctae Marthae sometime in the past few months. In order to protect our sources, we cannot detail the date and persons involved in the meeting, but only generally locate it in time - if the current pontificate so far can be divided into two halves, the meeting took place in the second half.

We can also add as part of this exclusive information that it was not a merely fortuitous event - that is to say, many off-the-record meetings with His Holiness have taken place since his election precisely because his being at Saint Martha’s House make him much more accessible and available than many previous pontiffs. No, that was not the case at all - the pope was previously duly informed and duly met Bishop Fellay. The meeting was apparently short and cordial.

The Pope has a true interest in resolving this situation, it seems to be understood by our sources.

 

[AllSeasons]

My source tells me that the meeting was in regards to the priests in Argentina. The bishop there was giving the SSPX priests a hard time, and Bishop Fellay went to Pope Francis to seek his assistance; the pope said he would put a stop to it. When Pope Francis was a bishop in Argentina, he used to help the SSPX priests get visas there. Pope Francis said that he wasn’t going to tell anyone not go to the Society and that SSPX is Catholic. But as pope, he is the Leader of the New Evangelization Church, which he expects will be more popular.

 

[italianamerican]

My source tells me that the meeting was in regards to the priests in Argentina. The bishop there was giving the SSPX priests a hard time, and Bishop Fellay went to Pope Francis to seek his assistance; the pope said he would put a stop to it. When Pope Francis was a bishop in Argentina, he used to help the SSPX priests get visas there. Pope Francis said that he wasn’t going to tell anyone not go to the Society and that SSPX is Catholic. But as pope, he is the Leader of the New Evangelization Church, which he expects will be more popular.

I don’t understand why people give traditonalist Catholics a hard time…I consider myself a traditional Catholic even though I go to the Novus Ordo mass but I agree and believe most of the stuff the traditionalists believe in. The church these days disregards alot of the good and amazing things about Catholicism and makes it closer to Protestantism in my opinion.

 

[McCall1981]

Who knows how reliable this all is, but Rorate Caeli says Bp. Fellay was summoned to Rome, and that Francis has “true interest in resolving the situation” with the SSPX.

Also, at Creative Minority Report, Pat Archbold says this:

Earlier today I got a mail from a reader that informed my that Bishop Williamson, formerly of the SSPX, warned of an impending reconciliation between the SSPX and Rome.

“The news is that the modernists in Rome are offering to the Society a « recognition by tolerance » without the need for any formal agreement or signed document such as raised within the SSPX so much opposition to a deal with Rome in the spring and early summer of 2012. Here is the essence of how the Society’s Second Assistant, Fr. Alain Nély, expressed it, with enthusiasm, to two members of religious Orders three months ago : « The solution for the SSPX will be its unilateral recognition by Rome…we will not be asked to sign anything…to see how things evolve…we shall see.”

 

[Charles12]

Let us pray that a true and lasting solution will be found with the Society and that these great priests will be canonically regularised.

 

[felsguy]

I don’t understand why people give traditonalist Catholics a hard time…I consider myself a traditional Catholic even though I go to the Novus Ordo mass but I agree and believe most of the stuff the traditionalists believe in. The church these days disregards alot of the good and amazing things about Catholicism and makes it closer to Protestantism in my opinion.

Perhaps it’s because some find comments like this irritating.

 

[italianamerican]

Perhaps it’s because some find comments like this irritating.

I don’t mean it to be but its true… Alot of things in the Catholic Church changed because of Vatican II and not for the good. Almost everything about Catholicism was changed from the churches to the rituals of mass and exorcism and baptism and confirmation and how they make Holy Water and alot more things were changed to be more modernized when it was fine before they changed it. Why change rituals that are ancient and were not changed before vatican ii? The ritual of Exorcism had amazing results before vatican ii now the ritual barely works and has to be said many many times unlike the ancient ritual created by the Apostles and church fathers. Everything that drew me to Catholicism is no more there is no huge glorious golden cathedrals and no incense every mass and relaxation of rules and making certain sacramentals like the brown scapular fall out of favor and everything. It’s more like Protestantism then the Ancient Catholicism that puts more veneration to Mother Mary and the Saints.

 

[italianamerican]

go on traditionalist Catholic websites and read the book “tumultuous times” for a more detailed list of what was changed.

 

[AllSeasons]

I don’t mean it to be but its true… Alot of things in the Catholic Church changed because of Vatican II and not for the good. Almost everything about Catholicism was changed from the churches to the rituals of mass and exorcism and baptism and confirmation and how they make Holy Water and alot more things were changed to be more modernized when it was fine before they changed it. Why change rituals that are ancient and were not changed before vatican ii? The ritual of Exorcism had amazing results before vatican ii now the ritual barely works and has to be said many many times unlike the ancient ritual created by the Apostles and church fathers. Everything that drew me to Catholicism is no more there is no huge glorious golden cathedrals and no incense every mass and relaxation of rules and making certain sacramentals like the brown scapular fall out of favor and everything. It’s more like Protestantism then the Ancient Catholicism that puts more veneration to Mother Mary and the Saints.

I’ve heard that Protestants, as well as some heretics, were invited to attend and were present at Vatican II.

 

[italianamerican]

I’ve heard that Protestants, as well as some heretics, were invited to attended and were present at Vatican II.

that’s very true.

 

[tee_eff_em]

tee

 

[JosieN]

I don’t mean it to be but its true… Alot of things in the Catholic Church changed because of Vatican II and not for the good. Almost everything about Catholicism was changed from the churches to the rituals of mass and exorcism and baptism and confirmation and how they make Holy Water and alot more things were changed to be more modernized when it was fine before they changed it. Why change rituals that are ancient and were not changed before vatican ii? The ritual of Exorcism had amazing results before vatican ii now the ritual barely works and has to be said many many times unlike the ancient ritual created by the Apostles and church fathers. Everything that drew me to Catholicism is no more there is no huge glorious golden cathedrals and no incense every mass and relaxation of rules and making certain sacramentals like the brown scapular fall out of favor and everything. It’s more like Protestantism then the Ancient Catholicism that puts more veneration to Mother Mary and the Saints.

I agree. Why was it changed? The protestants were the ones who left because they were not happy with it, those who remained wished to keep it the way it was. Now we have a church very much like the protestant churches. I believe I read the Traditional Mass was 400 years old.

 

[Kyrie_eleison_9]

My source tells me that the meeting was in regards to the priests in Argentina. The bishop there was giving the SSPX priests a hard time, and Bishop Fellay went to Pope Francis to seek his assistance; the pope said he would put a stop to it. When Pope Francis was a bishop in Argentina, he used to help the SSPX priests get visas there. Pope Francis said that he wasn’t going to tell anyone not go to the Society and that SSPX is Catholic. But as pope, he is the Leader of the New Evangelization Church, which he expects will be more popular.

What is the New Evangelization Church? Is that something different from the Catholic Church? Are all religions the same? Is “extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” still a dogma of the New Evangelization Church or has that been changed? Are non-Catholic religions or even non-Christian religions “means of salvation”? If so, what’s the point of being Catholic?

 

[AllSeasons]

Who knows how reliable this all is, but Rorate Caeli says Bp. Fellay was summoned to Rome, and that Francis has “true interest in resolving the situation” with the SSPX.

Also, at Creative Minority Report, Pat Archbold says this:

Earlier today I got a mail from a reader that informed my that Bishop Williamson, formerly of the SSPX, warned of an impending reconciliation between the SSPX and Rome.

“The news is that the modernists in Rome are offering to the Society a « recognition by tolerance » without the need for any formal agreement or signed document such as raised within the SSPX so much opposition to a deal with Rome in the spring and early summer of 2012. Here is the essence of how the Society’s Second Assistant, Fr. Alain Nély, expressed it, with enthusiasm, to two members of religious Orders three months ago : « The solution for the SSPX will be its unilateral recognition by Rome…we will not be asked to sign anything…to see how things evolve…we shall see.”

creativeminorityreport.com/2014/05/could-sspx-reconciliation-be-in-works.html?m=1

Again, this is all pretty much hearsay, but its still interesting.

That is indeed very interesting! Very interesting, indeed.

 

[otjm]

go on traditionalist Catholic websites and read the book “tumultuous times” for a more detailed list of what was changed.

Almost all of which you mentioned in your previous post either didn’t exist at one time or another, or was something that was a change from something previous to it. Too many people presume that what happened at Mass in the 1950’s was what the Mas looked like back to the time of Christ - it wasn’t.

And a number of your statements are inaccurate; for example, incense was not used at every Mass; it was used infrequently (and I grew up in the 1950’s, so I was there). And your comments about minor exorcisms needs some factual backup that “things are not working”. And please, don’t go off the reservation with issues that have no bearing on the matter.

I periodically attend Mass at our Trappist abbey and they use far more incense than my pastor did in the 50’s.

 

[otjm]

What is the New Evangelization Church? Is that something different from the Catholic Church? Are all religions the same? Is “extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” still a dogma of the New Evangelization Church or has that been changed? Are non-Catholic religions or even non-Christian religions “means of salvation”? If so, what’s the point of being Catholic?

All of these questions are off topic, and all of them have been the source of other threads. Perhaps we can stick to the topic?

 

[otjm]

I’ve heard that Protestants, as well as some heretics, were invited to attend and were present at Vatican II.

Protestants also attended the Council of Trent.

Your point?

 

[otjm]

That is indeed very interesting! Very interesting, indeed.

Most rumors are; that is what keeps them in circulation.

 

[adawgj]

I don’t understand why people give traditonalist Catholics a hard time…I consider myself a traditional Catholic even though I go to the Novus Ordo mass but I agree and believe most of the stuff the traditionalists believe in. The church these days disregards alot of the good and amazing things about Catholicism and makes it closer to Protestantism in my opinion.

Totally agree with you. I’m also a traditionalist, and I think the real change should be to go back to our roots and learn about who we are.

 

[pnewton]

Perhaps it’s because some find comments like this irritating.

It could well be!

As I see it, let us celebrate that Protestants are becoming closer to Catholicism.

In any case, I am all for reconciliation. Protestants or SSPX, the closer they can get to the Church, or to having a legitimate ministry in the Church, the better.