Pope Francis: Reformation's 500th anniversary is 'privileged occasion' for living the faith [CWN]

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Pope Francis received an ecumenical delegation from Finland on January 19 and said that 2017, the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation, is “for Catholics and Lutherans a privileged occasion to live the faith more authentically, in order to rediscover the Gospel together, and to seek and witness to Christ with renewed vigor.”

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“for Catholics and Lutherans a privileged occasion to live the faith more authentically, in order to rediscover the Gospel together, and to seek and witness to Christ with renewed vigor.”
This makes no sense, How is Luther an example for Catholics?
“The intention of Martin Luther 500 years ago was to renew the Church, not divide her,”
If that were the case, then why are we still divided, what is currently holding them back from converting and coming back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

God Bless

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From : en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/01/19/pope_luther%E2%80%99s_intention_was_to_renew_the_church,_not_divide/1286728

"Pope Francis on Thursday said that “the intention of Martin Luther five hundred years ago was to renew the Church, not divide her”.
Speaking to members of an Ecumenical Delegation from Finland who are in the Vatican to take part in the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, the Pope recalled his visit to Sweden last October and said that the “gathering there gave us the courage and strength, in our Lord Jesus Christ, to look ahead to the ecumenical journey that we are called to walk together.”

Please find below the full text of Pope Francis’ address to the members of the Ecumenical Delegation from Finland:
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
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I joyfully welcome all of you, members of the Ecumenical Delegation, who have come as pilgrims from Finland to Rome on the occasion of the feast of Saint Henrik.  I thank the Lutheran Bishop of Turku for his kind words.  For more than thirty years, it has been a fine custom for your pilgrimage to take place during the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, which calls us to draw closer to one another anew through conversion.  True ecumenism is based on a shared conversion to Jesus Christ as our Lord and Redeemer.  If we draw close to him, we draw close also to one another.  During these days let us pray more fervently to the Holy Spirit so that we may experience this conversion which makes reconciliation possible.
On this path, we Catholics and Lutherans, from several countries, together with various communities sharing our ecumenical journey, reached a significant step when, on 31 October last, we gathered together in Lund, Sweden, to commemorate through common prayer the beginning of the Reformation.  This joint commemoration of the Reformation was important on both the human and theological-spiritual levels.  After fifty years of official ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans, we have succeeded in clearly articulating points of view which today we agree on.  For this we are grateful.  At the same time we keep alive in our hearts sincere contrition for our faults.  In this spirit, we recalled in Lund that the intention of Martin Luther five hundred years ago was to renew the Church, not divide her.  The gathering there gave us the courage and strength, in our Lord Jesus Christ, to look ahead to the ecumenical journey that we are called to walk together.   
In preparing the common commemoration of the Reformation, Catholics and Lutherans noted with greater awareness that theological dialogue remains essential for reconciliation and that it is advanced through steadfast commitment.  Thus, in that communion of harmony which permits the Holy Spirit to act, we will be able to find further convergence on points of doctrine and the moral teaching of the Church, and will be able to draw ever closer to  full and visible unity.  I pray to the Lord that he may bestow his blessing on the Lutheran-Catholic Dialogue Commission in Finland, which is working diligently towards a common sacramental understanding of the Church, the Eucharist and ecclesial ministry.
Therefore 2017, the commemorative year of the Reformation, represents for Catholics and Lutherans a privileged occasion to live the faith more authentically, in order to rediscover the Gospel together, and to seek and witness to Christ with renewed vigour.  At the conclusion of the day of commemoration in Lund, and looking to the future, we drew inspiration from our common witness to faith before the world, when we committed ourselves to jointly assisting those who suffer, who are in need, and who face persecution and violence.  In doing so, as Christians we are no longer divided, but rather united on the journey towards full communion.
I am pleased to recall also that this year the Christians of Finland celebrate the centenary of the Finnish Ecumenical Council, which is an important instrument in promoting communion of faith and life among you.
Finally, in 2017 your homeland, Finland, will celebrate one hundred years as an independent State.  May this anniversary encourage all the Christians of your country to profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ – as did Saint Henrik so zealously – offering a witness of faith to the world today and putting that faith into practice through concrete acts of service, fraternity and sharing. 
In the hope that your pilgrimage may contribute to further strengthening the good cooperation between Orthodox, Lutherans and Catholics in Finland and in the world, and that the common witness of faith, hope and love may bear abundant fruit through Saint Henrik’s intercession, I willingly invoke God’s grace and blessing upon you all."
 
If that were the case, then why are we still divided, what is currently holding them back from converting and coming back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?
I think they would say “the Papacy, indulgences, etc.”
 
I think they would say “the Papacy, indulgences, etc.”
I think so too, so why are we uniting regarding the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther? We don’t see Luther the same, they see Luther as a hero, who broke away from the corrupt and evil Catholic Church, if they no longer think the Catholic Church corrupt and evil, why not come back?

This is what worries me about this ecumenical stuff, if one wishes to dialogue in order to bring people closer and eventually back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, or at least understand it, then that is a good thing, if one through their dialogue wishes to sacrifice or make vague a little of the truth of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church in order to find some ‘middle ground’ to agree on, then that is a very bad thing.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Why does he just focus on Lutherans?
What do you mean?

Pope Francis has had repeated meetings with the Ecumenical Patriarch, Bartholomew.

He is the first Pope to meet with Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church

He has met repeatedly with His Grace, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

However, we are in joint commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation…one of the most impactful events in Western Christendom…so there is a special focus on Lutheranism in this year of commemoration.

The preparations for this historic event began decades ago.

We look forward to the events that will continue to unfold this year.

Catholic bishops all over the world are co-presiding at liturgies, in their dioceses, with their Lutheran counterparts to commemorate this epic historical moment.
 
I think so too, so why are we uniting regarding the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther? We don’t see Luther the same, they see Luther as a hero, who broke away from the corrupt and evil Catholic Church, if they no longer think the Catholic Church corrupt and evil, why not come back?

This is what worries me about this ecumenical stuff, if one wishes to dialogue in order to bring people closer and eventually back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, or at least understand it, then that is a good thing, if one through their dialogue wishes to sacrifice or make vague a little of the truth of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church in order to find some ‘middle ground’ to agree on, then that is a very bad thing.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
As Pope Benedict said in Cologne, in 2005 and stemming from the seminal document Unitatis Redintegratio, the ecumenism of the return is repudiated by Rome and long has been.
*[T]his unity does not mean what could be called ecumenism of the return: that is, to deny and to reject one’s own faith history. Absolutely not!

It does not mean uniformity in all expressions of theology and spirituality, in liturgical forms and in discipline. Unity in multiplicity, and multiplicity in unity: in my Homily for the Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul on 29 June last, I insisted that full unity and true catholicity in the original sense of the word go together. As a necessary condition for the achievement of this coexistence, the commitment to unity must be constantly purified and renewed; it must constantly grow and mature.

To this end, dialogue has its own contribution to make. More than an exchange of thoughts, an academic exercise, it is an exchange of gifts (cf. Ut Unum Sint, n. 28), in which the Churches and the Ecclesial Communities can make available their own riches (cf. Lumen Gentium, nn. 8, 15; Unitatis Redintegratio, nn. 3, 14ff.; Ut Unum Sint, nn. 10-14). *
And thus we look at the gifts we receive from other Churches and Ecclesial Communities as much as the gifts that we have to offer. All of this, of course, is the fruition of Unitatis Redintegratio, as Pope Benedict reminds us.

As he said at the same time
*In ecumenical dialogue Germany without a doubt has a place of particular importance. We are the Country where the Reformation began; however, Germany is also one of the countries where the ecumenical movement of the 20th century originated. *
And indeed, it is thanks to the work in Germany – and of PCPCU that we have reached the points articulated in both From Conflict to Communion, originating above all in Europe, and Declaration on the Way, overseen by Bishop Madden acting under PCPCU.
 
I lurked around here before signing up with an account back in the days when Benedict XVI was the Pope, although I had recently been spending more time in this (news) area of the forum. But my forum activity has decreased recently largely due to the fact that in recent times there have been unusually polemical attitudes just in general, along with certain level of animosity towards the Pope. I mean this with all due respect to the posters who may indeed have good intentions, but if the Pope were still Benedict XVI and the exact same things were said and done, I highly doubt responses in threads like these would be so negative.

If this negativity doesn’t change soon I might never come back to CAF.
 
I lurked around here before signing up with an account back in the days when Benedict XVI was the Pope, although I had recently been spending more time in this (news) area of the forum. But my forum activity has decreased recently largely due to the fact that in recent times there have been unusually polemical attitudes just in general, along with certain level of animosity towards the Pope. I mean this with all due respect to the posters who may indeed have good intentions, but if the Pope were still Benedict XVI and the exact same things were said and done, I highly doubt responses in threads like these would be so negative.

If this negativity doesn’t change soon I might never come back to CAF.
Agreed. People who are overly critical of the Holy Father need to be kicked out.
 
Agreed. People who are overly critical of the Holy Father need to be kicked out.
Oh my, I’m just saying… You just said this on a thread about the Reformation being a privileged occasion to live the faith. Not to undermine your sentiment, but surely the humor in this is apparent or purposeful? I couldn’t resist being the first to intercept.
 
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“Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise.” Martin Luther
We do not live in the papacy of Leo X…our complete submission and obedience is to the Holy See today.

The world’s bishops made abundantly clear at Vatican II, above all in Unitatis Redintegratio and in Lumen Gentium that our understanding as well as our approach of today to “Christians of other Communities” is radically different from centuries past…thanks to the Holy Spirit. There are many things from the past that, beyond excommunications and condemnations, need to be consigned to oblivion.

Pope Saint John Paul II made this very clear in Ut Unum Sint.

42. It happens for example that, in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount, Christians of one confession no longer consider other Christians as enemies or strangers but see them as brothers and sisters. Again, the very expression separated brethren tends to be replaced today by expressions which more readily evoke the deep communion — linked to the baptismal character — which the Spirit fosters in spite of historical and canonical divisions. Today we speak of “other Christians”, “others who have received Baptism”, and “Christians of other Communities”. The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism refers to the Communities to which these Christians belong as “Churches and Ecclesial Communities that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church”. This broadening of vocabulary is indicative of a significant change in attitudes. There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ. I have personally been able many times to observe this during the ecumenical celebrations which are an important part of my Apostolic Visits to various parts of the world, and also in the meetings and ecumenical celebrations which have taken place in Rome. The “universal brotherhood” of Christians has become a firm ecumenical conviction. Consigning to oblivion the excommunications of the past…
 
If this negativity doesn’t change soon I might never come back to CAF.
Frankly, I agree with you completely. I stop by to read the specific posts of people who will have something actually thoughtful to say

I am finding the site ever increasingly disappointing for what one reads in posts.

As I look about, it is little wonder to me there are so few of my brother priests participating.
 
Oh my, I’m just saying… You just said this on a thread about the Reformation being a privileged occasion to live the faith. Not to undermine your sentiment, but surely the humor in this is apparent or purposeful? I couldn’t resist being the first to intercept.
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We do not live in the papacy of Leo X…our complete submission and obedience is to the Holy See today.

The world’s bishops made abundantly clear at Vatican II, above all in Unitatis Redintegratio and in Lumen Gentium that our understanding as well as our approach of today to “Christians of other Communities” is radically different from centuries past…thanks to the Holy Spirit. There are many things from the past that, beyond excommunications and condemnations, need to be consigned to oblivion.

Pope Saint John Paul II made this very clear in Ut Unum Sint.

42. It happens for example that, in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount, Christians of one confession no longer consider other Christians as enemies or strangers but see them as brothers and sisters. Again, the very expression separated brethren tends to be replaced today by expressions which more readily evoke the deep communion — linked to the baptismal character — which the Spirit fosters in spite of historical and canonical divisions. Today we speak of “other Christians”, “others who have received Baptism”, and “Christians of other Communities”. The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism refers to the Communities to which these Christians belong as “Churches and Ecclesial Communities that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church”. This broadening of vocabulary is indicative of a significant change in attitudes. There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ. I have personally been able many times to observe this during the ecumenical celebrations which are an important part of my Apostolic Visits to various parts of the world, and also in the meetings and ecumenical celebrations which have taken place in Rome. The “universal brotherhood” of Christians has become a firm ecumenical conviction. Consigning to oblivion the excommunications of the past…
In all charity Fr., i respectfully disagree and suggest that the current crisis in Holy Mother Church is a direct result of the loosening attitudes and removal of protections which were put in place by our Holy Fathers pre 1965 to defend the Faithful. If Luther was a Heretic and an excommunicate then, he is an heretic and excommunicate now.
Clarity leads to unity. Ambiguity leads to doubt, which leads to division. With all respect and love to His Holiness Pope Francis, i will humbly stand on the totality of the Faith and weigh all new developments by what Holy Mother Church has held as Truth throughout the ages.
 
I lurked around here before signing up with an account back in the days when Benedict XVI was the Pope, although I had recently been spending more time in this (news) area of the forum. But my forum activity has decreased recently largely due to the fact that in recent times there have been unusually polemical attitudes just in general, along with certain level of animosity towards the Pope. I mean this with all due respect to the posters who may indeed have good intentions, but if the Pope were still Benedict XVI and the exact same things were said and done, I highly doubt responses in threads like these would be so negative.

If this negativity doesn’t change soon I might never come back to CAF.
I have read others say the same and there does seem to have been a decline in active members.

Needless to say, I agree with you.

The verbal assaults upon the present Holy Father have grieved me to no end and appear to be highly partisan in nature, which is sad if true.
 
Frankly, I agree with you completely. I stop by to read the specific posts of people who will have something actually thoughtful to say

I am finding the site ever increasingly disappointing for what one reads in posts.

As I look about, it is little wonder to me there are so few of my brother priests participating.
Father, I find your posts inspiring. I hope you stay with us. There are people here who appreciate how you represent the Church.
 
In all charity Fr., i respectfully disagree and suggest that** the current crisis** in Holy Mother Church is a direct result of the loosening attitudes and removal of protections which were put in place by our Holy Fathers pre 1965 to defend the Faithful.
What ‘crisis’ would that be?
 
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