Pope Francis: Removal of Differences Between Man and Woman Is the Problem, Not the Solution

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Says Gender Theory Causes Society to Take A Step in the Wrong Direction During General Audience
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The image of God is not only displayed in man and woman individually but also together as a couple.
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These were the words of Pope Francis during his General Audience today in St. Peter’s Square. The Holy Father said that today’s catechesis and the following will reflect on the sacrament of marriage and the complementarity between man and woman.
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DaddyGirl said:
“The image of God is not only displayed in man and woman individually but also together as a couple.”

Good that he points that out.
And also, this: “The difference between man and woman is not for opposition, or subordination.”

He says women need to be heard, “her voice has a real weight, **a recognized authority, in society and in the Church.” **

“Jesus considered [woman] in such a way that gives a strong light, that enlightens a path that takes us far, from which we’ve only covered a small piece,” he said.

"We have not yet understood in depth what things the feminine genius can give us, that woman can give to society and also to us. Perhaps to see things with different eyes that complements the thoughts of men. It is a path that must be crossed with more creativity and more boldness."

Right on, Pope!

Not so much in agreement with that Paul, methinks.

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What in what you quoted or what else Pope Francis has said makes you think that?
 
DaddyGirl said:
The disparity in what each thinks, feels, and says about women and their authority is vast, as you can surely see. The pope and Jesus seem to be more in sync, though, when it comes to women.

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You have demonstrated the disparity. Can you demonstrate the “sync”?
 
DaddyGirl said:
Do you mean the Pope vs. Paul comment?

If so, let’s compare:

The pope says women need to be heard-- **“her voice has a real weight, a recognized authority, in society and in the Church.” **

Paul says:
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
If they have any questions, they should ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings."

The disparity in what each thinks, feels, and says about women and their authority is vast, as you can surely see. The pope and Jesus seem to be more in sync, though, when it comes to women.

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Only if you take Scripture at “plain meaning” only and ignore the exegesis, which we Catholics don’t do.

CA’s Jimmy Akin did a blog entry on that passage that offers some helpful exegetical tidbits:

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/should-women-keep-silence-in-church
 
DaddyGirl said:
Do you mean the Pope vs. Paul comment?

If so, let’s compare:

The pope says women need to be heard-- **“her voice has a real weight, a recognized authority, in society and in the Church.” **

Paul says:
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
If they have any questions, they should ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings."

The disparity in what each thinks, feels, and says about women and their authority is vast, as you can surely see. The pope and Jesus seem to be more in sync, though, when it comes to women.

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St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 was dealing with a specific problem in the Corinthian Church but was also establishing a norm based upon the doctrinal economy taught by Christ. St. Paul was not saying that women could not speak. In fact he recognizes women speaking in the form of prophecy in 1 Corinthians 11:5. This passage in 1 Cor 14 is referring to women in the role as official teachers in the liturgy. This is made a little more clear in St. Paul’s teaching to Timothy (cf. 1 Timothy 2:12) in which he says that “I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men…” In both instances St. Paul is talking about the Church assembly, the liturgy. Thus, his teaching is not a blanket teaching that woman cannot teach or have authority outside of the liturgy and Church hierarchy. It is okay, then, for women to be captains of industry with authority over men, bosses, managers, teachers in universities, teachers in seminaries, etc. The prohibition is teaching in the liturgy (e.g., the homily) and authority in the Church hierarchy (the charism of governance the belongs to the bishops).
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oswc.org/stmike/qa/fs/viewanswer.asp?QID=599

The silence that the Apostle speaks of in regards to women is seen as regarding the speaking of the liturgy and in regards to the hierarchy. Pope Francis has on multiple occasions spoken in line of tradition in regards of the priesthood being reserved for men, so when the Pope uses the word ‘authority’ in regards to women, I doubt he means that in regards to women speaking the liturgy and/or having authority in terms of being ordained priests so they could be in the hierarchal structure.
 
The notable thing here is that he spoke against gender theory, so 👍
 
_Abyssinia said:
oswc.org/stmike/qa/fs/viewanswer.asp?QID=599

The silence that the Apostle speaks of in regards to women is seen as regarding the speaking of the liturgy and in regards to the hierarchy. Pope Francis has on multiple occasions spoken in line of tradition in regards of the priesthood being reserved for men, so when the Pope uses the word ‘authority’ in regards to women, I doubt he means that in regards to women speaking the liturgy and/or having authority in terms of being ordained priests so they could be in the hierarchal structure.
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Why?
 
My voice has real weight! Boom. Now, go make your own sandwich. 😉
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
My voice has real weight! Boom. Now, go make your own sandwich. 😉
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Not only did I make my own sandwich, I made one for my wife too. 🙂

How prevelant is “gender theory” though. I guess I know some people who buy into it but for anybody with kids it’s perfectly clear that gender is pretty much hard wired. I though it was only the radical end of feminism that supported the theory? Take transsexuals for instance. They too affirm that gender is fixed and not a social construct. Besides the Dan Savage types and radical feminists, who else buys into this nonsense?
 
FaustinaJulia said:
Awwwwwww I was really looking forward to that Philly Cheesesteak too…-hangs head as she mutters and sulks off to make her own sammich-
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I put a lot of love into cheesesteaks. Chipotle mayo (I use Ken’s Steakhouse) goes great on them. Or diced pickles and thousand island dressing… it’s like a Big Mac, but a million times better. I would love to have everyone from CAF over and have a cheesesteak grillin party. 😃
 
estesbob said:
Correct. Instead this thread has gotten derailed into a discussion on St Paul.
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Well we can put this train back on track and start discussing what is gender theory first.

I’ll bite.

What is gender theory?
 
Sarcelle said:
Well we can put this train back on track and start discussing what is gender theory first.

I’ll bite.

What is gender theory?
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It’s a radical feminist idea that there are zero differences between men and women, and that any behavioral differences between men and women are socially constructed.
 
estesbob said:
That gender is a social construct.
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Which is laughable if you ever watch kids play. Even giving them the same toys, boys and girls play differently. My girls get UPSET when I try to play with them like a boy would with toys. They let me know in no uncertain terms they don’t want to pretend a battle between the Lego characters and the Mickey Mouse figurines. They will ONLY allow a nice tea-time and playing “house”.
 
This bit :

The 78 year old Pontiff went on to say that without the mutual enrichment in their relationship, neither can truly understand what it means to be man and woman.

Is the Pope refering to married couples or any type of relationship between a man and a woman?
 
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