Pope Francis: SSPX priests will licitly and validly absolve sins during Jubilee of Mercy [CWN]

[Tim_D]

Wrong. I have said that it’s my opinion, which apparently you believe that some of us shouldn’t be allowed to express. I’ll have to make further use of the ignore feature.

How very “tolerant” of you.

 

[Casilda]

CAF needs to weigh in on if some of the SSPX rules on the forums need to be changed or nuanced to really discuss this issue.

I would caution all that the priests of the SSPX are indeed Catholic priests. So when we blast them for perceived attitudes we need to change the way we speak about them to be respectful.

Worth repeating.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

What is troubling to me is people who take a single thread of a statement and weave it into a tapestry of their own desire and design, claiming things to be something that they aren’t. I think that Deacon Jeff and Father Z’s thoughts on the matter are more knowledgeable and informative than the posts that have been appearing here.

Tim. why are you not rejoicing in this news? Why are you seeming more concerned than that Pope on this? He said it. And you are suprised that people weave their own meaning into it? Have you seen the way EVERYTHING this Pope says in construed but others?

I shall glance at your other posts hoping to find the same concern for other groups who have read into what this Pope has said.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

It wasn’t easy but it was the correct thing to do.:yup:

 

[Casilda]

I understood Pope Francis loud and clear, Jubilee Year of Mercy. Who shows Mercy, will receive it.

 

[Denise1957]

I think that this news is indeed troubling, because it raises a lot of questions. There are those of us who support tradition and are sympathetic to the SSPX. On the other hand, there are those who have animosity toward tradition, especially the SSPX’s take on tradition. It’s a long-standing division in the Church, and therefore it’s nothing new.

 

[Tim_D]

Tim. why are you not rejoicing in this news? Why are you seeming more concerned than that Pope on this? He said it. And you are suprised that people weave their own meaning into it? Have you seen the way EVERYTHING this Pope says in construed but others?

I shall glance at your other posts hoping to find the same concern for other groups who have read into what this Pope has said.

As Deacon Jeff has said, this concerns the faithful more than the SSPX. It seems to me that Pope Francis’ desire is to make confession more available for the faithful during the Year of Mercy, has weighed the options and decided that it would be best to grant faculties to a group that has no legitimate ministry in the Church in order to help the faithful. I doubt that the hope for reconciliation with the SSPX is even a concern.

There is an SSPX chapel here in town. It was built, is staffed and offers Mass without the approval of the bishop. Am I supposed to rejoice in such disobedience? There are plenty of parishes here in town where I can go for confession and Mass, and all of them are in union with the bishop, the pope and the Church. The same cannot be said for the SSPx chapel. If the SSPX choose to be humble, submit to the pope and the authority of the local bishop, THEN I will rejoice. Until then, I don’t rejoice in willful disobedience.

 

[Lormar]

Serious question for you, and not meant to be a snarky one. How do you view the disobedient priest in the Church who uses his parish to promote his own ideology?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

As Deacon Jeff has said, this concerns the faithful more than the SSPX. It seems to me that Pope Francis’ desire is to make confession more available for the faithful during the Year of Mercy, has weighed the options and decided that it would be best to grant faculties to a group that has no legitimate ministry in the Church in order to help the faithful. I doubt that the hope for reconciliation with the SSPX is even a concern.

There is an SSPX chapel here in town. It was built, is staffed and offers Mass without the approval of the bishop. Am I supposed to rejoice in such disobedience? There are plenty of parishes here in town where I can go for confession and Mass, and all of them are in union with the bishop, the pope and the Church. The same cannot be said for the SSPx chapel. If the SSPX choose to be humble, submit to the pope and the authority of the local bishop, THEN I will rejoice. Until then, I don’t rejoice in willful disobedience.

You are supposed to rejoice in the idea that mercy is being given. That is the message of this Pope. You should not extend your demand for justice of disobedience farther than the Vatican or the Pope Himself. You should be happy that perhaps we are closer to a resolution of this painful rift. But you also should orient yourself away from the idea that the Pope and the Church must exact Justice for disobedience to your standards. It is a very real possibility that this Pope of Mercy, this Humble Pontiff is the one who appears to bend. Not the Society. And this would be the same message this Pope has shown us. While it has been hard for some (including me) to hear these things about groups I do not like, one should not let blind dislike or disagreement blind them to rejoicing in the Mercy of the Church.

Let me tell you a little story about my Diocese. The former Bishop eradicated the EF. He did so even after the MP. There is an SSPX chapel that is 45 minutes from town. It is packed. There is no other EF offered within a day’s drive. The Bishop has priests who wish to have the EF offered but denied it. So those who loved the EF chose to attend the SSPX chapel. And they are being harmed by the situation of irregularity. And this Pope has seen that harm and chosen to help those who attend. This is a HUGE thing to celebrate, your personal dislike not withstanding.

Many of us could make the argument that our regular Mass on the weekends is more disobedient than the SSPX are. And you should be thankful that you do not have that situation.

Yes, Tim, you should rejoice. It is what our faith demands…

 

[Lormar]

You are very fortunate.

Thank you for your kind answer!

 

[pnewton]

Wow! Pope Francis never ceases to impress. We he says it is a year of mercy, he means it. It is an odd situation now, these priest having a licit ministry of confession within the Church (but not to say Mass). I see in this two things. Pope Francis really, really, really wants to see mercy, that is forgiveness of sin, extended to all. Pope Francis recognizes the value inherent in all priests, in this case, the SSPX priests.

I guess I have my opinions, but they would be just speculative as to what the future holds. I the evil of the day is sufficient to the day, how much more the joy of the day.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Mercy is a hard thing to reconcile with Justice. God’s concept of both is perfect. Ours is not. This Pope has caused me to doubt, and to worry. And today, he has caused me to hope.

 

[Denise1957]

Many of us could make the argument that our regular Mass on the weekends is more disobedient than the SSPX are. And you should be thankful that you do not have that situation.

Yes, Tim, you should rejoice. It is what our faith demands…

Well said. And yet those who strongly warn against the SSPX don’t seem to be warning strongly against those who actually promote heretical views. The SSPX has never, for instance, been accused by any Church authority of heresy. And yet their supposed disobedience is the absolute worst possible thing that a Catholic could ever do, or presumably participate in by attending one of their Masses.

 

[Tim_D]

Many of us could make the argument that our regular Mass on the weekends is more disobedient than the SSPX are. And you should be thankful that you do not have that situation.

Yes, Tim, you should rejoice. It is what our faith demands…

We all have a cross to bear.

We have a good bishop and many, many good priests here. I rejoice in that.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Oh you were in town? You could have stopped by and said hi…



Just kidding

Just kidding!!!

 

[Tim_D]

The SSPX has never, for instance, been accused by any Church authority of heresy.

Conversely, have any of those priests that you have tried, convicted and condemned been accuse by any Church authority of heresy?

 

[Megan7]

Mercy is a hard thing to reconcile with Justice. God’s concept of both is perfect. Ours is not. This Pope has caused me to doubt, and to worry. And today, he has caused me to hope.

:clapping: Thank you for this post:thumbsup: I have HOPE as well!

I have really enjoyed all of your posts today:thumbsup: God bless you!

+PAX

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

:clapping: Thank you for this post:thumbsup: I have HOPE as well!

I have really enjoyed all of your posts today:thumbsup: God bless you!

+PAX

Thank you that is very kind!

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I’m not in Indiana I used to be but I escaped.

I’m western…

In Indiana, The CHurch was amazing. Obedient and reverent with good priests who were incredibly reverent. and for the most part liturgically correct.

It was the only good thing in the mid west. The. Only. One.

 

[Lormar]

dici.org/en/news/communique-of-the-general-house-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x-on-the-letter-of-pope-francis-at-the-approach-of-the-holy-year-september-1-2015/

The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

“I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.”

The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture. In the ministry of the sacrament of penance, we have always relied, with all certainty, on the extraordinary jurisdiction conferred by the Normae generales of the Code of Canon Law. On the occasion of this Holy Year, Pope Francis wants all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Society of St. Pius X to be able to do so without being worried.

During this year of conversion, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X will have at heart to exercise with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of tireless dedication which the holy Cure of Ars gave to all priests.

Menzingen,
September 1, 2015