Pope Francis 'tells sinner she should be allowed Communion' [Phony news story ?]

[SAVINGRACE]

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-tell-a-divorced-and-civilly-remarried-woman-she-could-rece/

Couldn’t help but laugh at point 3 below:

JIMMY AKIN

1. Is this story true?

Who can say?
If I wanted, I could post on Facebook that I got a call from the pope, and then, when contacted by the press, I could say anything I like.

I could say that the pope told me that I could consecrate the Eucharist even though I’m not a priest, or that, over the phone, he secretly ordained me a bishop, or that the George Noory crowd is correct and the Vatican is in contact with extraterrestrials.

We already know that there are a lot of false rumors about Pope Francis and things he has said and done (that happens with every pope).

With no offense meant to Mr. Sabetta, there are multiple elements that the public has no way to verify: whether such a phone call took place, what the pope said, and whether the pope was correctly understood and represented by Mrs. Lisbona, Mr. Sabetta, and the chain of reporters conveying the story to us.

 

[McCartney]

The HUSBAND was in the room when the woman called.

Let’s get the story correct. She did not call. The pope called in response to a letter she had written in September. The husband answered and then handed the phone to her.

 

[marymary1975]

I am sorry, but where have you been? It has been known for awhile now that the Pope would and has do something like this. What people are failing to remember is that this Pope is a Jesuit, which is extremely different to other Popes in how his lives his faith. Some of you people really need to take the time to study The Jesuit and how they live their Catholic faith.

Of course, I cannot prove anything I say, but I literally just spoke to a Jesuit priest at the Jesuit school I work at and told him about the conversation going on and he thought it was great if the Pope actually told the woman that. They understand the very hard position that divorced people are put in sometimes.Those who are not divorced simply do not understand that there are many reasons people divorce and no one knows that better than God, certainly not many “good” Catholics. My parents were married for 30 years before they divorced. They tried for 5 years to work things out but just didn’t. My mother was insulted that the Church would have her annul her marriage, basically wiping away the life and children they shared. This is something the Jesuits understand.

It angers the priest I work with when I tell them some of the judgement and attitudes I read on this site. They feel it in no way reflexes God’s way or is at all Christ like.

You just said it best yourself: you have no way of proving that the pope as a jesuit has been doing random calls to people. Have you been in the Vatican working there to know that he after becoming pope personally does this kind of rand calls? What he used to do before being a Pope and what he can do now are two different things. The pope is a head of state and the Vatican works very similar to how any other state does internally so how do you know that the Vatican has changed all his protocols and everything so pope Francis can keep on calling randomly? And on top of that we have a secular media which we all knows is constantly reporting unacurate things about the Pope, so again what is your base to know that what is reported actually happened? Because some popularedia who publkshese incorrect things says so?

 

[marymary1975]

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-tell-a-divorced-and-civilly-remarried-woman-she-could-rece/

Couldn’t help but laugh at point 3 below:

JIMMY AKIN

1. Is this story true?

Who can say?
If I wanted, I could post on Facebook that I got a call from the pope, and then, when contacted by the press, I could say anything I like.

I could say that the pope told me that I could consecrate the Eucharist even though I’m not a priest, or that, over the phone, he secretly ordained me a bishop, or that the George Noory crowd is correct and the Vatican is in contact with extraterrestrials.

We already know that there are a lot of false rumors about Pope Francis and things he has said and done (that happens with every pope).

With no offense meant to Mr. Sabetta, there are multiple elements that the public has no way to verify: whether such a phone call took place, what the pope said, and whether the pope was correctly understood and represented by Mrs. Lisbona, Mr. Sabetta, and the chain of reporters conveying the story to us.

and please note #5 too: there is uncertainty as to each series event including whether the phone call happened.

Also note that the entire new originated out of a personal post of an individual guy I’m Facebook
So ate we going to believe it happened just because some random guy said so on FB? Helloooooooo

 

[Veridical16]

Let’s get the story correct. She did not call. The pope called in response to a letter she had written in September. The husband answered and then handed the phone to her.

thanks for the correction.

My mistake. It was a typo, the post should have said, “was called”

We all wish we could have the Pope’s phone number on speed dial wouldn’t we?

 

[McCartney]

thanks for the correction.

My mistake. It was a typo, the post should have said, “was called”

We all wish we could have the Pope’s phone number on speed dial wouldn’t we?

Ok. No problem. We all make mistakes sometimes.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Papal phone calls cannot change Church doctrine, canonist assures

 

[Yause]

Putting aside what the pope may or may not have said, is it even possible to accept a form of pastoral care in which communion is allowed without renouncing the sin (and then living in a continent marriage)? From past interviews, I understand that he’s much inspired by Eastern Orthodox solutions, but those are grounded in different theology (both in the application of economy and in the sacrament of marriage itself) and remain controversial among some Catholics.

On the other hand, there’s definitely a problem if the divorced and remarried exit the Church entirely, leaving little hope for reconciliation. Nevertheless, it’s tough to think of a solution that works and is consistent with our beliefs (unless the argument is a drastic change in how we view sin and repentance)…

 

[Demetra2]

I think it is important to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt and to pray for him. I do wish that he would be more concise in his statements and avoid “off the cuff” statements
that frequently lead to confusion. People who are lapsed Catholics or poorly catechized Catholics will run with this misleading info and march up to communion in a state of sin. That helps no one. And vague statements like this seemingly redefine what is a sin and encourage people to obey their own will and not God’s will. Some will think that it is only a matter of time before the Catholic Church will change it’s position on abortion, divorce, birth control and women priests and gay marriage. Ultimately they will be disappointed but confusion will be spread and the typical parish priest will have to deal with it which may be a blessing in disguise.

 

[Teelynn]

Putting aside what the pope may or may not have said, is it even possible to accept a form of pastoral care in which communion is allowed without renouncing the sin (and then living in a continent marriage)? From past interviews, I understand that he’s much inspired by Eastern Orthodox solutions, but those are grounded in different theology (both in the application of economy and in the sacrament of marriage itself) and remain controversial among some Catholics.

On the other hand, there’s definitely a problem if the divorced and remarried exit the Church entirely, leaving little hope for reconciliation. Nevertheless, it’s tough to think of a solution that works and is consistent with our beliefs (unless the argument is a drastic change in how we view sin and repentance)…

Yes, the Holy Father has given indications that he would like the Church to be more “welcoming” to divorced and remarried people. The reason for the Marriage Synod coming (I believe) in October? He has also given reason to believe he may like to do something fairly radical by choosing Cardinal Kasper from Germany to be the keynote speaker at the gathering that led up to the Synod a while back. I think we all heard about that. This is the REASON so many are panicked about this so called phone conversation. and everyone KNOWS or at least should know, if they follow the happenings of the Holy Father that indeed he does LOVE to pick up the phone to call people. Does it all the time unlike his predecessors, so this story is not out of the realm of possibilities at all. I do believe we will have to wait and see what happens at this “Marriage Synod” in October. It will be interesting to say the very least. I happened to see Raymond Arroyo’s interview with Cardinal Burke a week or so ago, and of course he said there is no way that Church Doctrine can be changed anyway so…the most they may be ABLE to do is to maybe streamline the annulment process which takes sometimes many years to complete as it stands now. This much I can assure you…the faithful will be watching this Synod very closely. What I don’t like about all this is that it may give some people (and even possibly some clergy) just the excuse they’re looking for to just start admitting people such as these to communion, saying “The Pope himself says it’s ok”. Not like these things have not happened before. All some people need is a perceived notion and they’re off and running. And I am also wondering if the whole intent of this story was to accomplish just this very thing. I mean, the husband puts this on FACEBOOK? Like someone else has said…“Common…REALLY? FACEBOOK?”

 

[nadiaperez1]

I had a really big problem with this. Got so upset after I saw the CNN news report that I posted a comment on Facebook. Hours later a family member started attacking me. He said that I was offensive and was offending lots of people with what I said.
I wrote it in Spanish but this is pretty much what I posted:

What a ridiculous report on CNN about a woman who is married to a divorced man, who claims she can have holy communion. Laity can not change the teachings of the church, not even the Pope can do it. Not even the Pope can allow a person who is not under grace can not receive holy communion because of the harm it can do to this person.

Needless to say, it was very very very disturbing the comments I received from this relative. Other just commented given the same quote from the bible, whoever is free of sin cast the first stone.

I cried and got mad because I know I was not being wrong, i was expressing my opinion. I called my godmother and a friend who are close to church for moral support and went to church to pray in front of God to give me strength as I know this is only the beginning when I decided to say Yes to God and became fully within the Church last Saturday when received my Confirmation.

PLEASE PRAY FOR ME AND MY SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE. I KNOW I NEED MORE PRUDENCE AND PATIENCE. Thanks God bless

 

[Teelynn]

I had a really big problem with this. Got so upset after I saw the CNN news report that I posted a comment on Facebook. Hours later a family member started attacking me. He said that I was offensive and was offending lots of people with what I said.
I wrote it in Spanish but this is pretty much what I posted:

What a ridiculous report on CNN about a woman who is married to a divorced man, who claims she can have holy communion. Laity can not change the teachings of the church, not even the Pope can do it. Not even the Pope can allow a person who is not under grace can not receive holy communion because of the harm it can do to this person.

Needless to say, it was very very very disturbing the comments I received from this relative. Other just commented given the same quote from the bible, whoever is free of sin cast the first stone.

I cried and got mad because I know I was not being wrong, i was expressing my opinion. I called my godmother and a friend who are close to church for moral support and went to church to pray in front of God to give me strength as I know this is only the beginning when I decided to say Yes to God and became fully within the Church last Saturday when received my Confirmation.

PLEASE PRAY FOR ME AND MY SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE. I KNOW I NEED MORE PRUDENCE AND PATIENCE. Thanks God bless

You are in my prayers Nadia. I do believe this is just the beginning of the persecution of faithful Christians. It has been prophesied that this would happen, so we ALL need to get ourselves prepared for it. No indeed you said NOTHING wrong. EVERYTHING you said is correct! There are some people that just have a hard time accepting TRUTH. Pray for strength, Jesus will help you. Pray the Rosary, the Blessed Mother is extremely powerful in pouring out GRACE to withstand attacks on our faith.

You stood for the TRUTH of Jesus in His Church, He has to be VERY HAPPY with you! Pray for those people that were so hurtful to you because you stood firm in your faith, that they may see the light of truth.

We are all called to be witnesses to the truth of Jesus in His Church, you were doing EXACTLY what you were called to do!

Prayers and Blessings to you.

 

[shelby_sun]

I’m personally amazed at our Pope and how he has managed to correct the attitude of our church within such a short span of time, through his sheer compassion and willingness to heed Jesus’ call to accept sinners.Though it is not my place to judge among popes, I’m glad that we have Pope Francis.

 

[shelby_sun]

You just said it best yourself: you have no way of proving that the pope as a jesuit has been doing random calls to people. Have you been in the Vatican working there to know that he after becoming pope personally does this kind of rand calls? What he used to do before being a Pope and what he can do now are two different things. The pope is a head of state and the Vatican works very similar to how any other state does internally so how do you know that the Vatican has changed all his protocols and everything so pope Francis can keep on calling randomly? And on top of that we have a secular media which we all knows is constantly reporting unacurate things about the Pope, so again what is your base to know that what is reported actually happened? Because some popularedia who publkshese incorrect things says so?

Have you known many Jesuits? I cannot even count how many I have known over the years. Working at a Jesuit school I speak with them on a daily basis and not one of them said they would be at all surprised if they learned the Pope Francis did indeed call this woman.

Maybe you should read up on what the Jesuits are all about. This man is a Jesuit before he is The Pope, no one in the Church is not going to change that about him. He did not ask to be Pope and I would bet he didn’t want to be, as he had to change how he lived as a Jesuit. If you think he is anything like the Popes that came before him you are very mistaken. The men who selected him were very aware of who this man was and what his ways were, even if many Catholic don’t, but they are learning. Some are more accepting than others, but those who are rigid of following the Church’s rules over letting this Pope, with guidance of the Holy Spirit, bring us closer to God are :shrug:missing out on something very special.

Most Jesuits are not rigid about every single rule of the Church especially when they further separate someone from God. There focus is on ones individual relationship to God and how to strengthen that on a daily basis. Do you think this woman not receiving communion because her husband did not get annulment is doing that? Most Jesuits would say no.

 

[Brendan]

I am sorry, but where have you been? It has been known for awhile now that the Pope would and has do something like this. What people are failing to remember is that this Pope is a Jesuit, which is extremely different to other Popes in how his lives his faith. Some of you people really need to take the time to study The Jesuit and how they live their Catholic faith.
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I am very familiar with the Jesuits. They way they live the Faith is distinctively theirs.

But it remains the same Faith, the same beliefs. The Jesuits do no maintain a concept of sin and redemption that is separate from that of the Church.

So it does not matter that the Pope is a Jesuit, or Franciscan, or Dominican or Secular. What is sinful remains sinful, what is damaging to the soul remains damaging to the soul. The theological philosophy of any Pope does not, and cannot not, change that.

 

[horselvr]

Amen Brendan.

 

[ProVobis]

Papal phone calls cannot change Church doctrine, canonist assures

Unfortunately misinformation spreads faster than the truth.

 

[McCall1981]

Perhaps this is a response to all this from Francis, good stuff here from his talk today to the African Bishops:

“The holiness and indissolubility of Christian matrimony, often disintegrating under tremendous pressure from the secular world, must be deepened by clear doctrine and supported by the witness of committed married couples. Christian matrimony is a lifelong covenant of love between one man and one woman; it entails real sacrifices in order to turn away from illusory notions of sexual freedom and in order to foster conjugal fidelity.” He pointed to the teaching of Blessed John Paul II on marriage and family as a “promising and indeed indispensable means of communicating the liberating truth about Christian marriage.”

And

Pope Francis also addressed the challenges faced by the Church in southern Africa, mentioning the decline in Catholic families and a corresponding drop in vocations, as well as defections from the Church. The Holy Father dwelt on family issues, including abortion, separation and divorce, and violence against women and children. “All these realities,” he said, “threaten the sanctity of marriage, the stability of life in the home and consequently the life of society as a whole. In this sea of difficulties, we bishops and priests must give a consistent witness to the moral teaching of the Gospel.”

southernorderspage.blogspot.com/2014/04/bombshell-pope-francis-clarifies-his.html?m=1

 

[Peebo]

Maybe our present Pope is actually doing what the Catholic Church has done for 2,000…being guided by the Holy Spirit…if…and I mean IF…there is some way for Catholics who have divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion then it will be through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and his infinite love and compassion to all sinners…which means everyone of us…and not by many Catholics on this topic who seem (excuse the pun) hell bent on making sure these divorced and remarried Catholics are reminded of what terrible adulterers they are…maybe you should heed the words of our Pope about this being a time of mercy…I personally believe that he will do as the Holy Spirit guides him in matters of church doctrine…if I didn’t believe that what would be the point of being Catholic…the Holy Spirit does not lie or make mistakes…if you are fearful that the church may change its position in this matter then you don’t have much faith in what Jesus said…that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide his church…if you do believe that then don’t try to prejudge what the Pope… through the guidance of the Holy Spirit will or won’t decide

 

[shelby_sun]

I am very familiar with the Jesuits. They way they live the Faith is distinctively theirs.

But it remains the same Faith, the same beliefs. The Jesuits do no maintain a concept of sin and redemption that is separate from that of the Church.

So it does not matter that the Pope is a Jesuit, or Franciscan, or Dominican or Secular. What is sinful remains sinful, what is damaging to the soul remains damaging to the soul. The theological philosophy of any Pope does not, and cannot not, change that.

It very much matters. He is how old, 78 ? You cannot change him into what you think the Pope is, has been, or should be. He cannot teach against the teachings of the Church, but that does not been he must believes everyone of them is fully correct according to God. We are not talking about the Commandments, we are talking about the man made laws of the Church which were inspired by God, that doesn’t mean they are perfect. There have been many changes in the Church over the years.

Many Jesuits would tell someone to pray and ask God for his guidance. Because I was raise my a mother that did not believe you had to go to a priest to confess one’s sins and was outraged when we had to go at school (family secrets might come out) I have not been to confession 30 years. Not one priest I have told that to has told me I am going to hell, not one. They haven’t even preached to me because they know I know the Churches teaching and they know God knows how sorry I am for my sins on a daily basis. They don’t tell me I am going to be saved either. They just tell me God knows my heart.