Pope Francis to world leaders "open your doors to migrants"

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Judge not, the least of these… homeless, refugees, the poor, the sick or in prison…

See… this is what people do. They look at a guy on the side of the road, holding a sign, and they jump to conclusions. They see a picture on the news displaying a bunch of young males and assume that’s all refugees are. The listen to sermons from pulpits condemning exaggerated stereotypes that are loosely associated with stigmatic straw-men they create in their own minds. Creating caricatures of people that we can use to justify using, abusing or ignoring, as if they don’t qualify as Children of the One Most High.

People can barely tell hearsay from heresy these days.

Judgments. Because of the way we feel about our own lives.

See? I’m not accusing anyone here. I do it too. Start making assumptions… Why they’re there, what makes them think they deserve… Why don’t they just do what I did, suck it up and… Why they said what they did, a certain way… sounds like I’ve heard this before…

People do that to each other, all the time, without thinking about it, realizing it. Because life sucks, eh? Bitter, angry at all the things we’ve had to live through, and what we’re living through, now. Who’s at fault, who’s to blame. Thinking that other guy is just lazy, they probably haven’t had is as bad as ~I~ have… been through the things ~I’ve~ been through… and look at me! I’m making it! I’m doing well for myself…

When we do it like that, though, who are we talking to? Who are we trying to convince? Ourselves? The other guy? God?

Always God. God’s always there. People get scared of that idea sometimes. Having some guy rooting around in your head, looking for Sin with which to hold against and punish us for… But is that how God works?

Nope. But God understands. Having made us, programmed us, built us, designed us, of Course He would. We can “humanize” the idea for a moment, for perspective. Maybe He didn’t quite realize where things would lead to, at first, and only Hoped… Maybe He can see All the possible ways we can become, change, react, learn and behave, but He waits and Hopes that we’ll take the best paths He’s already Chosen for us, and watches, even still, when we get off track, finding ways to nudge us in the right directions.

So when ~I~ look at people, and I rush to judgments, I don’t let them settle and stick. I ~feel~ all the ways I feel about things, from my ~own~ perspective. Why do I feel angry that some lazy jerk on the side of the road, is fleecing people pretending… Are they pretending? You offer them a job, and they turn you down…

Some people have a pride problem, and ~can’t~ accept a job from someone that’s looking down on them. Did you know that? People can read tone of voice, body language, attitude in the way we say things, hold ourselves, position ourselves, when we talk. We don’t just “read” each others words through our ears, we “read” each others Minds when we see the whole person.

Which is why I prefer text. With my schizophrenia, it feels like you’re ~screaming~ at me, with everything you say.

Some other people are hurting more than you can know, for reasons other than pride, and may instantly expect your offer is going to come with pain, being treated like a nothing. The offer is an accusation, and a threat of punishment. If they accept the job, you might just be taking advantage to lord it over them the whole time, proselytizing at best, abusing and using them, at worst.

That’s how a lot of people end up on the streets, to start with, trying to get away from situations that were Harming them, more than they could bear. Enough that being homeless and sleeping behind bushes and under bridges, actually hurts ~less~ than the situation they Left. I’ve been there a few times.

Things like that are the reason why many people get “stuck” and they call it “mental illness” but it really isn’t Mental. Emotional wounds that affect cognition. And people are able to Heal from these wounds, and recover themselves, and become better, when they figure out that the only person who can “fix” them, are Themselves.

And God. God can be there for us, and show us the way, whether we believe it, or not. Not everyone has those perspectives, though, especially since a lot of religion gets used to abuse people, often starting as children.

Like the way folks judge and condemn each other, not knowing a single thing about them, outside of the conclusions they jumped to, in the first place. A lot of people don’t have an easy way out, though. They get stuck in the problems that brought them low, and they only know how to “beg” for things to get better, and don’t know how to take care of themselves the way others do, or there’s too much pain, anger, trauma related problems, that keep them from sorting themselves out on their own. Begging for mercy, from a hateful God that’s punishing them, simply for having existed, for having been created in the first place, by no will or fault of their own.

It can ~feel~ that way, but that’s Not how it works. Christ explained these things, and expects us, wants for us, to pick up our crosses and lean on Him, showing others The Way. We have to learn How first, by examining our Own lives, and how we’ve gotten to the places we’ve been, and how we can get out of them, not just in the Physical sense of “Thank God I’m not homeless or a refugee” but in Emotional and Spiritual senses, as well.

There’s a lot of interplay between these things. It’s pretty difficult to find peace of mind, when you’re sleeping in a dormitory full of strangers whom may or may not be “safe” to be around. Worse when you’re sleeping outside, and never know when someone else might come up on you while you sleep.
 
People aren’t just lazy animals that have gotten used to the idea of having everything handed to them. That’s what the World tells them they are, and tries to convince us that people are. Psychiatry is human behaviorist nonsense that is in denial of the Spirit and Will that God gave us. It’s ~useless~ all by itself. Many people are wounded, broken, and often unable to care for themselves, because of the things they’ve been through, or where they are in life. Many more of us are more like the prodigal son’s brother, bitter and angry and asking why should we care? Why should they get what I’ve had to work for? Not realizing that they are wounded and broken, too.

That is not what God made us to be, either way.

Read the Bible. I know. I’ve heard it all before, and it sounds creepy and corny and like a bunch of BS, because who really does that? There is no God, or God would have done something by now, etc… Read the Red Letter parts, and some Psalms, ignoring the rest to start with. Some of it is History, and no longer applies. Pay attention to the parts that mean We are the Hands and Feet. Are we supposed to punch and kick, and stomp and scream? Or are we to walk with each other, comfort, console, and lift each other up?

Every person on this planet, is a Child of God. Muslims worship the Same God of the Bible, that We do. Yes, they have extremists, and so do we. People who pretend they live the religion they espouse, while doing things in all the opposite ways. False prophets, and worse. You will know them by their fruits, sowing discord and disharmony, death and destruction, poverty and disease, while they hoard wealth and power for themselves.

Follow the Way of Christ. Don’t just read the book, like a fact sheet that you can check things off the list as having completed. If you want to find God, for Real, you have to Live the way Christ taught us to live.

Lots of people do, but even if they ~didn’t~ we, as Catholics, and Christians, etc, are Called to do so, even if we have to start by setting the examples we didn’t learn, ourselves.

So yeah, this is also what I do. on the weekends when I have more time, I go “fishing” on forums and on Facebook and try to Talk to people, and share how God has affected my life. “Testify” as some would say. Sometimes I go into more detail. Why should ~I~ be the one, to feel shame for having lived through every “type” of abuse you can imagine? I know others who’ve related stories I would call, Worse, and not just because they don’t have the attitudes I have, and those I try to express and share, too. We’re supposed to ~be~ there for each other, the Whole World, not just try and kick each other down or step on or over each other, trying to “get to the top” …

Our Father who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy name;
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread;
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.

Kyrie Eleison
 
God comes first? Most of what you said, isn’t what Christ taught. The Pope isn’t naive. He’s well educated, and trusts in The Lord.

The poor in spirit* may always be with us, but if people followed Christ, we wouldn’t have such wealth disparity as we do now.

God’s compassion is infinite.
What contradicts the scriptures? Jesus doesn’t say ‘poor in spirit’, he says you will always have the poor, and he means people without money. He was responding to those who criticized Mary for ‘wasting’ expensive oils on Jesus.

Yes, God is first and then comes family and country. The pope is naive, and his policies would lead to the death of Europe and Christianity. He wants to allow those who hate Christianity to flood into Europe and other western countries. They don’t assimilate into western cultures. Instead they form their own communities, that seek to operate according to their own laws.

As a man I have certain obligations and loyalties which must be upheld. My faith and my country take presidence over any immigrant, especially one who hates my country and my faith.
 
Millions of people on welfare are already depending on me and my working…so…I “gave at the office”…
 
Most Western countries have not only opened the doors, they’ve opened the floodgates.
 
Again, why claim to be Catholic if you’re gonna reject both the Pope and Christ?
 
Again, why claim to be Catholic if you’re gonna reject both the Pope and Christ?
Be careful bc some people here will use the “ex cathedra” response to why they don’t agree with the Pope.

But I agree with you.m
 
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I wonder how many Catholic follow what they preach? How many of you work a second job to help feed the hungry? How many of you have invited a family of immigrants into your home to live? How many of you give 25% to 50% of your income to the poor? How many of you cook meals every day to give to the hungry? Or is voting for a liberal politician that will vote to take money from someone to give to other good enough? How many of you do real charity and really suffer to make sure the homeless have food or immigrants have shelter and a job? I give almost no money to the church, just enough to keep the lights on. Once the church came out in favor of obama care and the cost of my health insurance went thru the roof, I figured that was my charity contribution right there. My rates went up a little more than $300 a month. The difference had to come from some where.
 
Our borders are open to immigrants,just sign the guest book…enter legally
 
Be careful bc some people here will use the “ex cathedra” response to why they don’t agree with the Pope.
I understand that part, but it’s like more and more people keep getting stuck in Feelings, rather than Facts, and don’t even bother to read Scripture anymore. Too much looking at “being Catholic” or any kind of Christian, as a Burden to them, when it should be the Opposite of that.

It’s not meant to be a book of rules to just follow “because God said so” … it’s a way of Changing oneself, feelings, behaviors, Being the way God Meant for us to be from the very beginning, and here we are, 2000 years or so later, and still we look down on the less fortunate, blaming others for the ways we feel about the world, expecting others to change, without changing ourselves and our attitudes, first.

Too much of the “if they’re not doing it, why should I bother?” or “why should I have to?”

We are ~supposed~ to be the living examples of Christ to the world, not wait till others get there, before we start…
 
I understand that part, but it’s like more and more people keep getting stuck in Feelings, rather than Facts, and don’t even bother to read Scripture anymore. Too much looking at “being Catholic” or any kind of Christian, as a Burden to them, when it should be the Opposite of that.

It’s not meant to be a book of rules to just follow “because God said so” … it’s a way of Changing oneself, feelings, behaviors, Being the way God Meant for us to be from the very beginning, and here we are, 2000 years or so later, and still we look down on the less fortunate, blaming others for the ways we feel about the world, expecting others to change, without changing ourselves and our attitudes, first.

Too much of the “if they’re not doing it, why should I bother?” or “why should I have to?”

We are ~supposed~ to be the living examples of Christ to the world, not wait till others get there, before we start…
Exactly. I’m with you. I mean our popes the majority of the time, especially in the last 150-200 years have been truly men of God. They stand for what is right. To me, were Catholic first American second.
 
The way the “marketplace” has been working, is to push all the wealth towards the top, leaving the people on the bottom in the worst conditions. You know, those people called corporations that “sponsor” folks to get elected into offices where they can manipulate the system in their own favor?

Tea Party politics based on misguided understandings of economics that would have Adam Smith rolling over in his grave, along with an utter lack of faith in God, because people live to work and serve Riches (mamon) rather than God and Christ, ignoring or even Blaming the least of these…
:clapping:
 
Who is rejecting the Pope and Christ?
I’m not sure. That’s what I was asking. People seem to be jumping on Political bandwagons because they’re understandably upset, rather than remain in a state of being grateful for what they still have, and all too often place the blame on shoulders already overburdened in the process.

Blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful, and accepting the state of the world as “normal”, rather than trying to change it in a Christ oriented manner.

I thought I went over all that pretty well. The “Golden Rule” was not meant to mean, those who have the gold, make the rules…

Our Father who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy name;
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
 
God comes first? Most of what you said, isn’t what Christ taught. The Pope isn’t naive. He’s well educated, and trusts in The Lord.

The poor in spirit* may always be with us, but if people followed Christ, we wouldn’t have such wealth disparity as we do now.

God’s compassion is infinite.
It is God who makes or allows people to be rich or poor.

1 Samuel 2:7 “The Lord makes poor and makes rich, humbles, and also exalts.”

Wealth equality is not his will. Wealth disparity is not sinful in itself, just as social hierarchies are not sinful in themselves. What is sinful is defrauding workers of their wages and oppressing the poor and refusing to give help to those who need it.
 
Pope Francis has his head in the right place, I think.

But what is the practicality of everyone effected by war fleeing their countries? Doesn’t this simply admit defeat?
Aren’t we supposed to be trying to stop the problem (terrorism and extremism) rather than letting it exist?
 
It is God who makes or allows people to be rich or poor.

1 Samuel 2:7 “The Lord makes poor and makes rich, humbles, and also exalts.”

Wealth equality is not his will. Wealth disparity is not sinful in itself, just as social hierarchies are not sinful in themselves. What is sinful is defrauding workers of their wages and oppressing the poor and refusing to give help to those who need it.
Prosperity Gospel Heresy

Christ spoke of Spiritual Wealth and poverty.

People get too hung up on the Physical world, and end up denying the Spirit.
 
Aren’t we supposed to be trying to stop the problem (terrorism and extremism) rather than letting it exist?
Stop the problem?

We Created the problem. The terrorists have been trained and armed by the West. The more we apply force, the worse the problem has become. War is also not in line with Catholic Teachings, nor that of Christ.
 
Prosperity Gospel Heresy

Christ spoke of Spiritual Wealth and poverty.

People get too hung up on the Physical world, and end up denying the Spirit.
You may wish to reevaluate that last statement. Both old and new testament writers dealt with poverty and wealth. St. Paul deals with this in several epistles. It has nothing to do with prosperity gospel ideology. There are spiritual and material matters which we must deal with in life, with the spiritual being first. But to attempt to discredit wealth and give a socialist slant to the teachings of Jesus is wrong, as several past Popes have expounded upon.
 
You may wish to reevaluate that last statement. Both old and new testament writers dealt with poverty and wealth. St. Paul deals with this in several epistles. It has nothing to do with prosperity gospel ideology. There are spiritual and material matters which we must deal with in life, with the spiritual being first. But to attempt to discredit wealth and give a socialist slant to the teachings of Jesus is wrong, as several past Popes have expounded upon.
There is no need for anyone here to “discredit wealth”, it is discredited as a life goal and as a spiritually desirable thing throughout scripture, the Fathers, and 2000 years of Catholic/Orthodox teaching. There is no way to read the New Testament objectively without discerning the theme that pursuing earthly wealth as a life goal is extremely dangerous to the soul. Because Catholic/Orthodox doctrine does not embrace Marxism does not mean that the unlimited accumulation of wealth is somehow countenanced by scripture.
 
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