Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants on visit to Poland

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liturgyluver said:
Same question for lunatics who kill in the USA where the homicide rate is 50 times higher than that of Germany?
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Well, crime is a big problem in the US but immigration is perceived as a problem when it takes jobs away from its citizens. It isn’t a problem when foreign companies come to do business within the US or prop up property values.

Poland OTOH is a poor country offering very little in employment opportunities. Someone should ask why people would want to move there in the first place. Polish isn’t the easiest language to learn.
 
Yes I agree. There is an interesting Treatise which I can’t seem to locate now which deals with the development of Anti-Semitism in Central and Eastern Europe from the 1870s onwards. It’s interesting today to read that anti-Semitism was (and is) rife in Slovakia but not so in the Czech lands.
 
ProVobis said:
Well, crime is a big problem in the US but immigration is perceived as a problem when it takes jobs away from its citizens. It isn’t a problem when foreign companies come to do business within the US or prop up property values.

Poland OTOH is a poor country offering very little in employment opportunities. Someone should ask why people would want to move there in the first place. Polish isn’t the easiest language to learn.
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That is a very good point. Some of my Polish friends have told me that some of the villages and small towns are quite deserted since young people migrated westwards. I don’t for a moment think that the Pope’s message was aimed solely at Poland - there are other countries that probably are able to help more.
 
liturgyluver said:
Unfortunately your history is incorrect. They were not kicked out from other European countries but forced to move because of what was happening in the Soviet Union. After 1935 the Polish state (along with the Hungarian, Slovakian, German, and Romanian) turned increasingly anti-Semitic. When the 220,000 German Jews asked to leave Germany they didn’t ask to go to Poland, they sought sanctuary in the UK and USA both of whom reluctantly helped. Sadly Poland is now the most anti-Semitic country in Europe.
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Well, your historical lens is certainly different than mine. My historical perspective is different than yours, but that doesn’t make my history incorrect. We are at an impasse I am afraid.
 
The Poles need to take a good look at France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, etc to see what they never want to become.
 
liturgyluver said:
Of course he hasn’t missed what is happening in Germany but he has said before that you must not tar all asylum seekers with the same brush because of the actions of a tiny minority.
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That is the big problem, painting all “asylum seekers” with the brush that pretends that everyone coming from Syria was actually an asylum seeker.

There is no use of closing the barn door after the wolves get in either. That discernment should have been made from the very beginning.

The better solution would have been a policy that take into account the fact that Islamic supremacist is a real thing. Therefore give the financial aid to Islamic countries in the ME to pay for granting asylum to Muslims fleeing the latest humanitarian crisis that hits the region.
These countries are more culturally prepared for the kind of onslaught that countries like Germany or Poland are just not socially equipped to handle.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Lord save us from the good people too.
 
Seamus_L said:
The Poles need to take a good look at France, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, etc to see what they never want to become.
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And Catholics need to take a good look at the Bible and the teachings of the Holy Father to inform their consciences.
 
Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants because he is a Christian.
 
By the logic of some people on this thread:

In the 70s and 80s, the IRA were terrorists who consisted of Irish Catholics. Based on the risk that an Irish Catholic might have been in the IRA, Irish Catholics should have been kept quarantined from the rest of society.

I’m not saying don’t do background checks on refugees, but you simply cannot assume the worst in people en masse. Also, segregation is a great way to create even more extremists so it will backfire massively.
 
Darryl1958 said:
The better solution would have been a policy that take into account the fact that Islamic supremacist is a real thing. Therefore give the financial aid to Islamic countries in the ME to pay for granting asylum to Muslims fleeing the latest humanitarian crisis that hits the region.
These countries are more culturally prepared for the kind of onslaught that countries like Germany or Poland are just not socially equipped to handle.
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Many Muslim countries are already overflowing with refugees.

Others definitely do not need money to be able to support refugees - they choose not to.

What are Europeans supposed to do - ship them to a country that will just send them back to Syria?

Maybe if the USA took it’s fair share of refugees, it would be easier for Europe to manage. Especially considering the USA is at least in part responsible for the situation.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Many Muslim countries are already overflowing with refugees.

Others definitely do not need money to be able to support refugees - they choose not to.

What are Europeans supposed to do - ship them to a country that will just send them back to Syria?

Maybe if the USA took it’s fair share of refugees, it would be easier for Europe to manage. Especially considering the USA is at least in part responsible for the situation.
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America is not responsible for Islamism.
Mohammed is. Fanaticism and resentments and tribalism all play the role.
But America is not responsible, and neither is Europe. The Syrians are responsible for their own country.

Recognizing that fact would be a good start. Proper vetting would be a second.
And giving the countries already overwhelmed by refugees some resources from the outside would be the third. Heck, even recognizing that a preponderance of the asylum seekers were young single men might have been put to good use for Europe to use as the boots on the ground against ISIS and/or Assad. Give them a gun and a little training and send them back to win their country back from the bad guys, whosoever they may define them to be.
Why not send them back and treat only the women and children and Christians as refugees?
It is their fight, not America’s and not Europe’s.

Finally, recognizing that our good intentions are the solution to Islamism would be an important insight to have too. As much as we may empathize with people with cancer, it is never a good idea to transplant the cancer into our own bodies as if that is going to cure anything.

Lord, save us from the good.
 
If you want to personally sponsor some “refugees” and accept liability for any crimes or acts of terror that they commit, then you are welcome to have as many as you want.
 
I respect His Holiness Pope Francis, by virtue of him being the pope, but I think that this is taking it too far. Germany has had like five terror attacks, and many sexual assaults and common assaults on individuals and small groups, within the past few weeks. This is madness.

Yes, we must be loving and compassionate, but I’m not sure that that necessarily means harming our own people.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
Many Muslim countries are already overflowing with refugees.

Others definitely do not need money to be able to support refugees - they choose not to.

What are Europeans supposed to do - ship them to a country that will just send them back to Syria?
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Maybe if the USA took it’s fair share of refugees, it would be easier for Europe to manage.** Especially considering the USA is at least in part responsible for the situation.
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We have taken in refugees…more Muslims than Christians…a lot more. Shouldn’t we be welcoming those who are told pay a tax, die or leave? That’s what the fanatics tell the Christian and Jewish minority population to do. It’s called jizya.
 
Darryl1958 said:
America is not responsible for Islamism.
Mohammed is. Fanaticism and resentments and tribalism all play the role.
But America is not responsible, and neither is Europe. The Syrians are responsible for their own country.
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There are many who sold out to these groups though. That’s how they come in.

And churches and schools are easily converted into mosques.
 
jediliz said:
Guess he missed what is happening in Germany…

How about we help them fix their countries instead? The USA, for example, has homeless citizens we can’t even provide housing for. How are we supposed to provide housing for more migrants when we can’t even provide for our own? The USA also has a illegal immigrant problem, with those who can’t even be bothered to take the time to file for the legal paperwork.
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I agree with you completely.
 
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