Pope Francis views on Islam, has Catholic Answers talked about it?

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Christians and Muslims are brothers and sisters, and we must act as such.
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I think there’s no problem with such proclamation. We’re all children of God whether we’re baptized or not.

The issue that I find is whether Pope Francis has discerned the truths from falsehoods in Islam. Pope Francis is often mysterious that Catholic Answers had to hammer out the divorced and remarried partaking the Sacrament of the Eucharist in the Amoris laetitia, so whether Pope Francis believes a part of Islam is about love, or all of it is about love, is still up in the air. Catholic Apologist, even Catholic Answers (thus my query), and even ex-Muslims, recognize that Islam is a religion of violence.

I just wanted to know what Catholic Answers thoughts are on what the Pope said and if they can read between the lines better than we can.
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What is incorrect that he said… according to the ccc Muslims Jews and Christian’s all worship the same God. Muslims believe in the God of Abraham. Do we not also have the same God. Do Jews not also pray to the God of Abraham. If we all have the same father would we not all be brothers in Christ. Because the other Faith’s don’t see Christ as God does not make God the Father false.
 
No he said something like God willed all Faith’s. With that said he did not say it was the will of God. He said God allowed it… God gave us free will and by giving us free will we can use it as we choose.
People love to take everything he says out of context. They did it to all the Pope’s. This pope isn’t wasting his time to try to defend everything he says to those who choose to twist it. He is too busy trying to do the will of God and I got one got his back!!! Go Pappa!!!
 
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No he said something like God willed all Faith’s. With that said he did not say it was the will of God. He said God allowed it… God gave us free will and by giving us free will we can use it as we choose.
People love to take everything he says out of context. They did it to all the Pope’s. This pope isn’t wasting his time to try to defend everything he says to those who choose to twist it. He is too busy trying to do the will of God and I got one got his back!!! Go Pappa!!!
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I was boiling down a portion of what he was getting at. But yes, you’re right.
 
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God. If everyone is important to God, they should also be important to me. Despite all our differences, the same God hears all our prayers.
 
Pretty much what the pope is teaching and he gets accused of being evil. go figure!
 
rightness said:
Catholic Apologist, even Catholic Answers (thus my query), and even ex-Muslims, recognize that Islam is a religion of violence.
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See, that, I think, is the misconception we need to get past. Islam in practice is no more inherently violent than any other religion (or non-religious ideology). Judaism had the conquering and the excessive executions for minor offenses back in Old Testament times, but it’s the mellowest of the three today (I don’t pin the attitude of the State of Israel on the religion). Even Christianity, with the smallest amount of “God literally told us to go kill those people” in its origins, had a long period of, well, killing those people, or at least not rising above societal standards that said killing those people was okay. Islam is comparatively young and, in its home stomping grounds at least, hasn’t had to do a lot of adapting to a wider multi-religious milieu. Individual Muslims living among non-Muslims usually do just want to get along and not be mistreated. Yes, you can find voices that want to spread Islamic law everywhere … but you can find voices that want everyone ruled by our moral rules, too, and they are far more common. (You even have the bizarre spectacle of Christians wanting to enact some form of Mosaic Law and its prescribed punishments into civil law, which is thankfully a fringe view but would easily be just as bad as the worst notions of the imposition of sharia.) Heck, there’s a part of the world where Buddhists are massacring people over religion, which seems even more ridiculous than us Christians doing it … and yet there they are.

This isn’t some kind of special issue with Islam. It’s an issue with people and belief systems in general, and where it occurs in Islam, it can be pushed to the lunatic fringe just as it mostly has elsewhere (though we all have to keep fighting against it).
 
Your post is spot on. The problem is not Islam or Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism. It is religious fundamentalism and fanaticism of any religion, which breeds hatred for anyone and everyone who does not have the same beliefs as oneself. The film “Inherit the Wind,” with Spencer Tracy and Fredric March, among other luminaries, expresses this perfectly in the courtroom speech of Spencer Tracy, who plays the role of lawyer Clarence Darrow (Henry Drummond), which includes the line: “Fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy and it needs feeding.”
 
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I think the poster recognizes that radicalization can happen in a variety of religions. I think what bothers him or her is that Islam seems especially violent in its founding and teachings, by the one who is supposed to be nearly a perfect model of human action. Most religious founders don’t have so many battles. Military career of Muhammad - Wikipedia

On the one hand, I can understand why a religion may need to fight, especially defensively, but I think it’s quite a lot. On the bright side, it is estimated it was only around 1000 casualties. It is also important to remember that we view war differently than people in the past, especially after world War I and then II.

A pope’s personal opinion is not infallible fact, if that’s what bothers you, OP.
 
The fact that important, politically influential world leaders can regularly just say things on Twitter is both humorous yet also frightening.

Imagine that you are an important world leader whose tweets can affect policy and lives.
 
Kei said:
I think what bothers him or her is that Islam seems especially violent in its founding and teachings
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We should all strive to be like the God we worship. The 99 names that describe Allah are names like compassion, merciful, kind, forgiving, just and a God that cares for all his creation.
 
rinnie said:
And don’t put the sins of the bombers at the foot of muslims Faith
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I beg to differ. It is a direct correlation to their interpretation of Islam, both the oral and historical practice and their sacred writings. And their interpretation is not off the wall, but quite fundamental. Trouble is , so is the call for peace from other muslims. Both are useful in achieving the prophesied goal of world subordination. All a matter of timing and perceived efficacy. Both means are justified, and were practiced by their founder.

This dilemma is very well depicted by Hollywood in a movie starring Charleston Heston, EL CID, where the moors were defeated in 1492 in Spain. There is a scene where 5 or 6 Arab leaders are discussing politics. One is favor of more war, and he accuses the others as being peace lovers, and lovers of art and the sciences (which they excelled at), and threatens to cut the heads off the others if they do not join him in wielding the sword again.

They are very peaceful when they are in control, or when their numbers are low and sense stiff opposition (another’s words when they can’t win with the sword).
 
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You can’t say Islam is not a violent religion in the same way you can’t say Catholicism is not a violent religion, for the latter has a magisterium and, therefore, official teaching that determines what it means to be Catholic.

Islam has no official structure to determine what Islam in fact is.

But for the same reason, you also cannot say that Islam IS a violent religion.

What Islam is very much depends on the Muslim in front of you, of how he or she or a group of Muslims interpret, live out, and convey their own faith.
 
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But for the same reason, you also cannot say that Islam IS a violent religion.
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Beg to differ. It is not either/or but both/ and, and each is fundamentally held to their truth, that is a legit intetpretation. Islam is violent when it needs to be, and peaceful when it needs to be, all towards one end, universal subserviance.
 
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But for the same reason, you also cannot say that Islam IS a violent religion.
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Beg to differ. It is not either/or but both/ and, and each is fundamentally held to their truth, that is a legit intetpretation. Islam is violent when it needs to be, and peaceful when it needs to be, all towards one end, universal subserviance.
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And within the realm of Catholicism, Christianity has been no different. Yet the founder of Christianity espoused only non-violent love.
 
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And within the realm of Catholicism, Christianity has been no different. Yet the founder of Christianity espoused only non-violent love.
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Correct. That is a big difference, what did founders teach and practice, and what is proper, correct following. Jihadists are simply following the example of their founder/prophet (as well do
the peaceful Islamists, and there is their historic conundrum, when to fight and when to be at peace).

Islam preempted Christ in using the sword. That is we still follow the Lamb who was willingly slain, turned the other cheek, and never used force in His first coming. But His second coming will be different, as a King in full force. Islam is a false copy cat of the second coming.
 
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Eric_Hyom said:
How is the ideology of America any different?
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Oh please don’t even go there. America has wielded its sword the least of its full capabilities of any historical world power.(we were not a world power tillfirst world war?). We could very easily takeover Canada and Mexico, and probably all the way to the tip of Chile if we got wind of the expansionist spirit of past empires.

As to earlier days and manifest destiny , perhaps. Indeed the world changes thru ideology and it its youth and in its numbers. We eventually outnumbered native Americans (no one was native, everyone migrated here), and “Mexicans”. Today Islam is the future. Europes ideology and world view is weak, as are its numbers and youth ( poor birth rate), and is no match for its Islamic inhabitants.
 
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While this is technically correct, I’m afraid some might find it misleading. Non-Catholic religions teach both truth and error, “partial truth”, so to speak. However, it would be erroneous to say that these religions are “partially true”, or can be “partially accepted”. If you mix dirty water and clean water, you get dirty water, even if it exists in a lower concentration. If you mix truth and error, you likewise end up with error, even though the number of errors will be smaller in proportion to the total number of teachings. So if a religion teaches just ONE untruth, the entire religion is false.
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Does this apply only to doctrine?
 
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