Pope Francis what to do?

[pnewton]

If you consider me a sea lion, consider me slipping back into the sea?

Hey, I learned a new term. I am familiar with the tactic, but did not know there was a word for it. Just yesterday someone asked me what has changed about society today from the time of the apostles, in a question barrage. LOL!. Obviously I did not wade off into that. However, can’t this also be seen as the Socratic method?

You could be right though about gaslighting, though I do not see any problem with Pope Francis. Sometimes we do deny that there are things that he really did say that people have issues with, even if we do not.

That is why I like original source documentation. It allows a focus only on what is unquestionable.

 

[fide]

You are getting a lot of “all is well” on this thread. Jesus warned us of hard times to come as the spirit of darkness begins to grow radically and quickly in the last of the Last Days. A Christian would be foolish to ignore the signs of the times. We must be alert, and say awake, and hold fast to that which IS eternal. There are faithful men in the hierarchy! Read Cardinal Raymond Burke. Read Bishop Athanasius Schneider. Read Cardinal Robert Sarah. The Church is firm on the Rock, Jesus Christ.

Men in any position can fail and fall. As former Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick demonstrated for us all - a mere title is NO guarantee of Truth, no matter how highly the title is held by others. Read and listen carefully, trusting God, Scripture and faithful Catholic Sacred Tradition - NOT modern opinions about things of this world.

 

[whatistrue]

What about the pachamama incident?

You mean the tempest in a teapot that was blown up beyond recognition by some who are searching desperately for anything that can possibly be spun in such a way as to reflect badly on our Pope?

 

[whatistrue]

You are getting a lot of “all is well” on this thread. Jesus warned us

Jesus also promised that the Church would endure. The Holy Spirit will not allow the Pope, any Pope, to proclaim error as dogma, so in that sense all is well. Even if you buy the spin merchant’s versions of what Pope Francis has said, he has never even approached anything remotely close to that.

 

[whatistrue]

Pointing out that the sky really isn’t falling, notwithstanding the pronouncements of Chicken Little, is not gaslighting.

 

[whatistrue]

I contend that it is the people who twist and spin his words that are causing scandal, not Francis himself.

 

[whatistrue]

Really? That’s how you took that? Wow.

 

[ETweedie]

You should look into the words of Our Lady of Akita. It explains perfectly everything that is going wrong in the church right now. The best thing we can do as Laity is work to improve ourselves and pray for the worlds conversion. Pray the rosary everyday.

 

[whatistrue]

The best thing we can do as Laity is work to improve ourselves and pray for the worlds conversion.

Absolutely agree with this statement. Not familiar with the other, but will look into it as time permits. In the meantime though, I will stick with working on my own garden and not spend my time trying to minutely dissect the words of our Pope looking for something to take offense at.

 

[Dorothy]

Jesus is still the Rock!

He will never abandon us. Keep your eyes on Him, pray for our leaders, and let our Blessed Mother take us by the hand.

 

[sealabeag]

Who the Pope is shouldn’t shake you. The Church remains infallible and the Pope cannot teach heresy, so why worry? He may say or do things that bother you, he may be a sinner, he may get things wrong, etc. etc. but the Church remains the Church and nothing has changed. Popes come and go, and yes, it is nice to have a great leader and pastor in a Pope, but that’s just not always the case. There were all sorts of rogues and downright bad people who were Pope. That’s their problem. The Church sails on!

 

[AlNg]

What errors ?

 

[fide]

Jesus also promised that the Church would endure.

He promised “I am with you all the days until the close of the age.” At the close of the age, very trying things will happen. Bishop A. Schneider (in his book " Christus Vincit: Christ’s Triumph Over the Darkness of the Age) quoted Archbishop Fulton Sheen with some sobering thoughts:

When Christ was crucified, there remained only one faithful Apostle at His side, St. John, together with Our Lady and the other holy women. From the circumstances of Christ’s Passion, we can better understand the spiritual and even mystical sense of the suffering of Christ’s Bride, the Church. The current crisis within the Church represents the deepest form of suffering, since the Church is now persecuted, scourged, stripped, and derided not by her enemies but to a large extent by her Shepherds, by many of those who are successors of the Apostles, by many traitors in the clerical ranks who are the new Judases.
Here I cannot fail to quote the following words of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, which he wrote in 1948 and which are strikingly relevant and significant for the current situation:

“[Satan] will set up a Counter-church, which will be the ape of the Church. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content…. The False Prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit Church. Christ’s Church will be one, and the False Prophet will create the other. The false Church will be worldly, ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches and religions, forming some type of global association, a world parliament of Churches. It will be emptied of all divine content; it will be the mystical body of the Antichrist. The Mystical Body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot, and he will be the False Prophet. Satan will recruit him from our bishops.”

Listen carefully to what Archbishop Sheen foresaw, and look now at the signs of the times. Christ will never abandon His own! That is certain.

And then there is John Paul II, who foresaw shortly before his election to the papacy:

“We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel. This confrontation lies within the plans of divine Providence; it is trial which the whole Church, and the Polish Church in particular, must take up. It is a trial of not only our nation and the Church, but, in a sense, a test of 2,000 years of culture and Christian civilization with all of its consequences for human dignity, individual rights, human rights and the rights of nations.”

 

[TMC]

The great irony of this thread and the hundreds of other threads attacking Pope Francis on this site these last few years is that they demonstrate that the principle threat to Catholicism today is internal. And please do not mistake - I do not mean our holy and faithful Pope.

The Pope has been barraged by attacks from his opponents within the Church, and whether well meaning or not (and I have my view on that), this is what those attacks have accomplished – leading some in the Church to doubt the Church and its Pope. In other words, the attempts by some in the Church to build up themselves and their allies have only lead to tearing down the Church. The sad fact is that it appears that some would rather be more prominent in a diminished Church rather than attend to their own actual responsibilities.

We should all pray that Pope Francis and his successors can overcome these attacks, because the alternative is continuing down this self-destructive path to its ultimate end.

 

[pnewton]

Just like Jesus. The Pharisees considered Him and his disciples to be scandalous, as was His death.

The great irony of this thread and the hundreds of other threads attacking Pope Francis on this site these last few years is that they demonstrate that the principle threat to Catholicism today is internal. And please do not mistake - I do not mean our holy and faithful Pope.

That is history repeating itself. Pope Francis is the vicar of Christ. As Christ was rejected by the religious of his time that did not understand why he would eat with sinners and tax collectors, it is to be expected that there will always be those, even in the Church that do not understand a man like Pope Francis. No one who tries to judge him without understanding his point of view will ever understand him, or learn the lessons he is teaching, just like happened to other disciples in the time of Christ.

They were truly an example of formality. But they lacked life. They were, so to speak, “starched.” They were rigid. And Jesus knew their soul. This scandalizes us, because they were scandalized by the things Jesus did when He forgave sins, when He healed on the Sabbath. They rent their garments: “Oh! What a scandal! This is not from God, because He should have done this” [instead]. The people didn’t matter to them: the Law mattered to them, the prescriptions, the rubrics.” Pope Francis 2018

 

[TMC]

The people didn’t matter to them: the Law mattered to them, the prescriptions, the rubrics.

This a thousand times. You are correct, there is nothing new under the sun.

 

[PennyinCanada]

As a Catholic, I do my morning offering and go into my day taking care of what’s mine to take care of. That’s what I’m going to answer for.

There’s a big storm going on in the world right now. Stay close to Christ and keep in the battle. Peter looked at the wind and the waves when he was walking on water to Christ. It’s our turn now to keep our focus and keep moving.

 

[Eternal_Wisdom]

Wasnt Peter corrected by Paul? I’ve heard of several bishops, cardinals writing him. This Holy Father turned a deaf ear to the biggest sex scandal in history!

Now dont get me wrong I pray for Pope Francis but there are certain things hes made a stand on that are questionable

My parents are in their 70s and are very upset with some of the things said or done by Pope Francis.

And just so everyone knows I dont listen to gossip on news channels I get my information from ewtn unless you consider that gossip?

I also understand that the Catholic Church is protected maybe I was wrong to look for answers judging by the responses in this thread. I shoulda just prayed about it.

 

[fide]

I also understand that the Catholic Church is protected maybe I was wrong to look for answers judging by the responses in this thread. I shoulda just prayed about it.

It is good to listen to the thoughts and judgments of persons with wisdom and fidelity to the Truth. And it is good to seek guidance of the Lord in prayer, and in Holy Scripture. But we must be prepared for rejection, because that will come from often unexpected and hurtful places. The experience of Jesus in Jerusalem demonstrates that for us. The Cross is part of following Him.

 

[goout]

Wasnt Peter corrected by Paul? I’ve heard of several bishops, cardinals writing him. This Holy Father turned a deaf ear to the biggest sex scandal in history!

Now dont get me wrong I pray for Pope Francis but there are certain things hes made a stand on that are questionable

My parents are in their 70s and are very upset with some of the things said or done by Pope Francis.

And just so everyone knows I dont listen to gossip on news channels I get my information from ewtn unless you consider that gossip?

I also understand that the Catholic Church is protected maybe I was wrong to look for answers judging by the responses in this thread. I shoulda just prayed about it.

first thing is, always assume the best of others including the Pope. Or in other words, we deal with each other in good faith. That’s not always easy but charity towards others is not optional.

Believing the worst things about someone else because they challenge us is not charity. Even when we think they are wrong, charity. This is a challenge for everyone, including myself. But it’s the only way.