Pope Francis: Who am I to judge gay people?

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Prodigal_Son said:
Well, sure, a homosexual is giving up a counterfeit good. But giving up an apparent good is no less a sacrifice – in terms of difficulty – than giving up a real good. It is a HUGE sacrifice for a person to give up heroin, even though heroin is not good for them.
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It is a huge effort, but without the immolation of the Good, it is not a sacrifice.

Would it have really mattered if a Jew offered up his garbage at Passover time, instead of an unblemished lamb? Would that have been a true archetype of the Passion of the Cross?

Would it matter if there was difficulty in bringing the garbage to the altar? It is no sacrifice as there is no loss. All that was offered was that which should have been discarded anyway.
 
njlisa said:
I wonder why everything has to be scripted and why the Holy Father can’t speak in the moment as led by the Spirit.
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Because Papal infallibility is not guaranteed when the Pope speaks off the cuff. If the Pope was going to say that homosexuals acts are ok he would have done so in writing. But he didn’t. Our God is not a god of confusion.
 
liturgyluver said:
What is there not to love about this pope. He is the biggest evangeliser the Church has seen in decades. This statement will certainly have some people on CAF reaching for the smelling salts!
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JPII was loved by many.
 
clem456 said:
Yep, revulsion for other sinners when we ourselves offend God.

12 pages of posts in a couple of hours?? It’s gotta be a thread on homosexuality. When people get this wired up about the other things you mention, we’ll know we are making progress.
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Kinda hard not to gather posts when the topic is so central to our time and culture. The problem is do we see it as a problem at all or do we minimize it? The posters here are much different than the average person in the country. They mostly take their faith seriously and do not view it as some ideal that cannot be grasped.
 
liturgyluver said:
What is there not to love about this pope. He is the biggest evangeliser the Church has seen in decades. This statement will certainly have some people on CAF reaching for the smelling salts!
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Yes the last two Popes did not draw crowds or controversy at all.
 
njlisa said:
So the Holy Father is leading us into confusion?
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He spoke off the cuff. You are trying to make a mountain out of a mow hill. Catholics are not required to adhere to everything the Pope says off the cuff. We are only required to follow official teachings. The media’s sensationalism of it is what is causing confusion.
 
livingwordunity said:
He spoke off the cuff. You are trying to make a mountain out of a mow hill. You are the one who is trying to promote the confusion.
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With all due respect, I think it’s unfair and uncharitable to label my motivations and purpose – unless you can read my heart and mind. I’m participating in a discussion. Period. I respect your right to do so. Please give me the same credit.
 
njlisa said:
With all due respect, I think it’s unfair and uncharitable to label my motivations and purpose – unless you can read my heart and mind. I’m participating in a discussion. Period. I respect your right to do so. Please give me the same credit.
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I edited my post. Please read it again. Here it is:
njlisa said:
So the Holy Father is leading us into confusion?
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He spoke off the cuff. You are trying to make a mountain out of a mow hill. Catholics are not required to adhere to anything the Pope says off the cuff. We are only required to follow official teachings. The media’s sensationalism of it is what is causing confusion.
 
KrazyKat said:
Is having an opinion judging ? We all have an opinion and often they are different.
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No. Is there no unsolicited passage of judgment on CAF? Have I mis-read that for these past several years? I willingly admit my own guilt on this. But perhaps i am the only one…:rolleyes:
 
livingwordunity said:
He spoke off the cuff. You are trying to make a mountain out of a mow hill. Catholics are not required to adhere to everything the Pope says off the cuff. We are only required to follow official teachings. The media’s sensationalism of it is what is causing confusion.
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And we do not know what he actually said. We have various conflicting and incomplete reports. Yet, the Catholic left jump on the idea that there is a “change” in Church teaching because of the way the words are reported.
 
livingwordunity said:
I edited my post. Please read it again. Here it is:

He spoke off the cuff. You are trying to make a mountain out of a mow hill. Catholics are not required to adhere to anything the Pope says off the cuff. We are only required to follow official teachings. The media’s sensationalism of it is what is causing confusion.
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I thank you for your clarification and edits.
 
RKO said:
No. Is there no unsolicited passage of judgment on CAF? Have I mis-read that for these past several years? I willingly admit my own guilt on this. But perhaps i am the only one…:rolleyes:
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If you consider opinion an “unsolicited passage of judgment” you would have to include yourself in the ones who do it wouldn’t you?
 
It seems this \Pope is really getting under your skin! Are you afraid he will drag you out of your cosy comfort zone? Better fasten your seat belt. We are all in for a rough ride!
 
fix said:
It is a a true sacrifice to give up a real good. That distinction is not some legalistic minimal nicety, but goes to a deep theological understanding of what marriage is and what celibacy is.

My issue is with the modern notion of comparing unequal items and drawing conclusions. It is not fair to compare these issues as if they are similar.
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But, please, relate this to the priesthood. Are you saying that a gay man can not be a priest because he is not sacrificing heterosexual marriage?
 
maklavan said:
It seems this \Pope is really getting under your skin! Are you afraid he will drag you out of your cosy comfort zone? Better fasten your seat belt. We are all in for a rough ride!
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Why do you think this? What has he said that would lead you to believe such things?
 
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