Pope held private meeting with same-sex couple in U.S

[gilliam]

The day before Pope Francis met anti-gay county clerk Kim Davis in Washington last week, he held a private meeting with a longtime friend from Argentina who has been in a same-sex relationship for 19 years.

Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug.

In an exclusive interview with CNN, Grassi declined to disclose details about the short visit, but said it was arranged personally by the Pope via email in the weeks ahead of Francis’ highly anticipated visit to the United States.

“Three weeks before the trip, he called me on the phone and said he would love to give me a hug,” Grassi said.

cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html

 

[FollowChrist34]

His meeting with them should not be considered a form of support of their position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

 

[Theo520]

Good example of “love the sinner, hate the sin” :angel1:

Glad he uses email, and hope the server isn’t kept in a spare bathroom
His correspondence should be protected from hackers .

 

[clem456]

Can’t the Pope simply have an old friend and arrange to meet with him???
Must we speculate now for 25 pages and parse the motivations of everyone involved?

 

[FollowChrist34]

Can’t the Pope simply have an old friend and arrange to meet with him???
Must we speculate now for 25 pages and parse the motivations of everyone involved?

I actually hope we don’t. Maybe this will settle it. The Pope, like Jesus, loves and forgives all. We’ll see.

 

[ringil]

His meeting with them should not be considered a form of support of their position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

Sure. If it applies to one- it applies to the other.

Seeing the Davis meeting in context really changes things.

The Pope is simply being a pastor. We know that the Pope doesn’t approve of Homosexual activity and yet he chose to met, as a pastor with a same-sex couple.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Sure. If it applies to one- it applies to the other.

Seeing the Davis meeting in context really changes things.

The Pope is simply being a pastor. We know that the Pope doesn’t approve of Homosexual activity and yet he chose to met, as a pastor with a same-sex couple.

 

[tvknight415]

Ok, let’s just get all the responses out of the way right now…

-The Pope has erred! He can’t be the real pope!
-Pope is just greeting an old friend. We all have a gay friend. Nothing to see here.
-About time the church got with the times and accepted this as normal. Hopefully he’ll declare gays normal in the next month.
-He’s really the anti-Christ come to leas us all astray!
-What’s a Pope?

Did I miss any? No? Great, let’s move along to the next story.

 

[on_the_hill]

This is like deja vu all over again!



Would someone please tell the pope not to meet with any more people while he was here last week?

 

[on_the_hill]

Ok, let’s just get all the responses out of the way right now…
tvknight415;13327421:

-The Pope has erred! He can’t be the real pope!

Impossible. The Holy Spirit would never let him err. Unless he’s not the real pope.

-Pope is just greeting an old friend. We all have a gay friend. Nothing to see here.

I don’t have any gay friends. Is that a sin? Or is it a sin that I do have gay friends but don’t know it because they’re afraid to tell me they’re gay?

-About time the church got with the times and accepted this as normal. Hopefully he’ll declare gays normal in the next month.

Good, because that’s when the mortgage is due on my bakery and the gay wedding orders are piling up.

-He’s really the anti-Christ come to leas us all astray!

We didn’t need his visit with Karen Davis to know this. I mean, his visit with the gay couple.

-What’s a Pope?

He’s either a liberal tree hugger who is trying to impose a one-world socialist economic system, or a radical conservative who is trying to deny the existence of gender and sexual fluidity. The bottom line is he’s a Catholic that the media can’t pin down long enough to target.

 

[Joe_5859]

His meeting with them should not be considered a form of support of their position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

I came to this thread to post that joke. Ah well, it’s not the first time someone beat me to a punchline and it won’t be the last.

 

[CaptFun]

His meeting with them should not be considered a form of support of their position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

I agree (except for the wink at the end) :sad_yes:

BUT it will be played that way by part of the press I think.

OR has that happened already … beginning with this thread’s headline?

*EDIT: I understand the wink better now after reading the thread claiming the Pope’s visit with Kim Davis
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should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,"

Belated

 

[_Abyssinia]

Grassi said the Pope has long known that he is gay, but has never condemned his sexuality or his same-sex relationship.
"He has never been judgmental," Grassi said. “He has never said anything negative.”
*
In 2010, when Francis was a cardinal in Argentina, Grassi read media reports that his former teacher had condemned the legalization of same-sex marriage. So he sent a long e-mail to the cardinal expressing his disappointment, and the cardinal responded that his words had been cherry-picked and twisted, and that the reported sentiment was not true, according to Grassi.
He wrote that e-mail “with all the respect of the world,” Grassi said. “I stood firm on my position and I ended the e-mail saying ‘Don’t think it was easy for me to write this e-mail but I had to do it, and I think it was the right thing to do because 40 years ago you taught me I had to do it.’
He wrote back to me telling me, first of all, how sorry he was that he had hurt my feelings, that he had hurt me. One of the things he said on that e-mail was that* ‘I want you to know that in my work there is absolutely no place for homophobia.***’ And I think that’s what I want people to know.”

Wow. This pope is an amazing person.

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Presumably this is the 2010 statement that Grassi is referencing: ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal_bergoglio_hits_out_at_same-sex_marriage

If that is the statement he is referring too, I’m curious how then Cardinal Bergolio he attributes as saying what he did, meant, when his words seem pretty clear in the statement? How would they have been cherry-picked and twisted, according to Grassi’s reporting of what the Cardinal said?

 

[mikekle]

His meeting with them should not be considered a form of support of their position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

No, actually the news report I saw on CBS nightly news tonight, had the gay friend of the Pope saying he DID support him.

Funny the Vatican decided it was needed to come out and say the Pope did not support Davis just because of the meeting, CBS news stated many SSM opponents were disappointed originally when they thought the Pope was supporting Davis, but of course since the Vatican made it clear he did not, they are back to loving the Pope again…???

btw…They are only loving him so much because he is not saying anything they disagree with.

The Vatican and the CC in general needs to make this clear, there is a whole lot of people out there now under the impression the CC is softening up to the idea of SSM.

 

[EIF5A]

I’m confused.

Because even though I’m gay, I defend traditional marriage and gender in accordance with the teachings of the Church, and here is the pope smiling with an openly homosexual person.

And non-Catholics/Christians will be saying, “See, even the pope is tolerant. You’re a hateful bigot.”

Because he is the pope, I can’t say anything back.

I just don’t understand Pope Francis. And I’m not even a “traditional” Catholic.

 

[Good_Tidings]

I’m confused.

Because even though I’m gay, I defend traditional marriage and gender in accordance with the teachings of the Church, and here is the pope smiling with an openly homosexual person.

And non-Catholics/Christians will be saying, “See, even the pope is tolerant. You’re a hateful bigot.”

Because he is the pope, I can’t say anything back.

I just don’t understand Pope Francis. And I’m not even a “traditional” Catholic.

Think along the lines of “What would Jesus do?” Now you may have a better understanding of the pope.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Hard to know which publication his friend is referencing, the Cardinal was quoted in several media outlets about it. In the example you provide, though, I can see how the writer shaped the context around the quotes so that their meaning could be skewed.

And then there’s this:

cnn.com/2013/03/20/world/americas/argentina-pope-civil-unions/

Perhaps we’ll have more insight after the upcoming Synod.

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There is a link to Cardinal Bergolio’s letter regarding same-sex marriage and adoption from 2010 linked on this page:

marriageuniqueforareason.org/2013/03/14/pope-francis-i-defender-of-marriage-and-the-family/

Another source of the letter from '‘Jorge Mario Bergolio, s.j.’ - pages 6 and 7 of this pdf:

obispadoalcala.org/pdfs/BE_Arz_Buenos_Aires_Julio_2010.pdf

 

[_Abyssinia]

Holy See Press Office issues statement on Pope’s meeting with Yayo Grassi

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/10/03/holy_see_statement_on_popes_meeting_with_yayo_grassi/1176502