Pope hits out at feminist radicals

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As a woman this makes me HAPPY!!! :dancing:
I’ve long discussed with my peers the evils of the feminist movement, and the destruction it has brought to the church and the country. I am so pleased the Vatican is speaking out.

However, does any one think this will change anything? Will the message of this letter find it’s way into our local parishes?
I am a relatively “new” catholic. I do not mean to sound cynical. Honestly…does this bring hope?

🙂 Lilder
 
Could you repost the link, lilder?

First, there were TWO http (s) in your link. When I removed one of them, this was what I was given:

Violence was to bring Kashmir to world attention: ex-rebel chief

And story that followed.

Not exactly the Pope speaking. . . 😦
 
Thanks, it did.
Though why yahoo! in its infinite wisdom had this under “entertainment news” is beyond me. Good grief.

And it IS good news. Thank you, JP2, for recognizing that “radical feminism” has overreached itself. Men and women are equal in dignity, equal in soul, equal in spirit–yes. But I am NOT a man, and I never wished to be. My dignity is in being a woman who loves, serves and follows God, not in being a woman who seeks to be something I’m not, who thinks that something(s) been stolen from her by men and must be taken BACK, who seeks to deny her feminine nature as “inferior”, “repressed”, “unworthy”, or “useless in this world” in favor of a pseudo-MASCULINE “superior”, “free”, “unfettered”, “POWERFUL in this world” denial of self.

God bless all men and women, boys and girls.
 
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ricatholic:
Quite correct, it was Ratzinger speaking.

Peace
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She meant the original link was not a story about the pope.
 
Yes, you are right, and thanks, lilder. And again, thanks for the link. 🙂
 
Tantum ergo:
Though why yahoo! in its infinite wisdom had this under “entertainment news” is beyond me. Good grief.
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I found that odd and disterbing also.

I agree it is Good News…but do you think it will help any?

🙂 Lilder
 
Will it help any?
In the U.S., or in the world?
It’s hard to say. I imagine the effects will not be seen or felt quickly, though. Right now there is SUCH a stranglehold of “political correctness” and such anger and fear in so many that they won’t even be able to HEAR the message, IMO.
But I think the tide is turning and will continue to turn in those who DO hear. Our daughters and granddaughters will be the ones to reap the benefits of true Catholic womanhood and manhood, IMO, and God willing will bring it forward to the end of days.
 
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lilder:
She meant the original link was not a story about the pope.
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Read the intended story, the paper wasn’t written by the pope, it was written by Ratzinger.

BTW,
How many radical feminists do you guys think are really out there, and in the church?

Since it is generally women who do most of the heavy spiritual lifting at the parish level, it seems that the church would be better served by recognizing their efforts instead of wasting time attacking the female fringe elements.

Peace
 
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lilder:
I found that odd and disterbing also.

I agree it is Good News…but do you think it will help any?

🙂 Lilder/QUOTE
Our Holy Father wrote an article that was needed, however with so many women needing to prove themselves as “good” as men I don’t think it will change much.
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ricatholic:
Read the intended story, the paper wasn’t written by the pope, it was written by Ratzinger.

BTW,
How many radical feminists do you guys think are really out there, and in the church?

Since it is generally women who do most of the heavy spiritual lifting at the parish level, it seems that the church would be better served by recognizing their efforts instead of wasting time attacking the female fringe elements.

Peace
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I read the story (I posted it!) But you were mis-quoting Tantum in your post…and that is not fair:tsktsk:

I don’t care if JPII didn’t write it himself. He approved of it and signed it. And there are plenty of Radical feminists out there.

I feel the church does recognize the efforts of women. This article pointed out the Vatican is calling for the world to do MORE recognizing of women.

🙂 Lilder
 
Ric, the document was authored by Ratzinger and approved by the Pope. Please stop with the misguided attempts at hair-splitting; you aren’t Elmer Fudd, I trust.

What’s your definition of “radical”, ric? WomenChurch, IMO, is radical; NOW is radical, NARAL is radical, IMO. Jane Doe and Rosa Roe, who feel that women should receive equal pay for equal work and that mothers who have to work outside the home, as well as mothers who are able to stay at home, should be considered equally valued members of society, are NOT radical. How many radical feminists are “out there?” Quite a few. In the church? Oh yes. Voices louder than the moderates and the traditional women? Much louder.

Are you attempting to equate the women who “do the heavy spiritual lifting” with “radical feminists?” If not, why imply that the church does NOT “recognize their efforts”? If not, why imply that the church is “attacking fringe elements”–and, by covert implication, doing that when it SHOULD be doing something else? As though by addressing radical feminism, it is NEGLECTING to do what it should, and DOING what it SHOULDN’T.

Very disingenuous on your part, IMO.
 
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ricatholic:
How many radical feminists do you guys think are really out there, and in the church?
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Porportionally few compared to the millions of faithful Catholic women who get tired of these few telling them how patriarchal and oppressive their Church is. The problem isn’t their number, but their relative shrillness and entrenched positions of influence in diocesan and parish ministries.
Since it is generally women who do most of the heavy spiritual lifting at the parish level, it seems that the church would be better served by recognizing their efforts instead of wasting time attacking the female fringe elements.
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Glad you asked 🙂 . The Church has spoken very eloquently on this. To catch up on your reading, start with the pope’s apostolic letter Mulieris Dignitatum:

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html
 
Tantum ergo:
Ric, the document was authored by Ratzinger and approved by the Pope. Please stop with the misguided attempts at hair-splitting; you aren’t Elmer Fudd, I trust.

What’s your definition of “radical”, ric? WomenChurch, IMO, is radical; NOW is radical, NARAL is radical, IMO. Jane Doe and Rosa Roe, who feel that women should receive equal pay for equal work and that mothers who have to work outside the home, as well as mothers who are able to stay at home, should be considered equally valued members of society, are NOT radical. How many radical feminists are “out there?” Quite a few. In the church? Oh yes. Voices louder than the moderates and the traditional women? Much louder.

Are you attempting to equate the women who “do the heavy spiritual lifting” with “radical feminists?” If not, why imply that the church does NOT “recognize their efforts”? If not, why imply that the church is “attacking fringe elements”–and, by covert implication, doing that when it SHOULD be doing something else? As though by addressing radical feminism, it is NEGLECTING to do what it should, and DOING what it SHOULDN’T.

Very disingenuous on your part, IMO.
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Actually the first post was just a play on words, because both the intended and unintended links were not by JP2.

I am sorry if that offended you.

As far as recogninzing the efforts of women in the trenches so to speak, I do not think they get nearly enough credit. (and while some may be feminists, the vast majority are just devout and devoted catholics.

And while MG (thanks Fid.) may speak eloquently about the spiritual status of women, it says little about the actual day to day involvement of women at the point where the church as an institution intersects with the congregation.

This would be a much poorer church without the involvement of women. Both from a numbers standpoint at mass and from the ranks of the workers in Jesus’ fields, women are represented out of proportion to the population in general.

Peace
 
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ricatholic:
And while MG (thanks Fid.) may speak eloquently about the spiritual status of women, it says little about the actual day to day involvement of women at the point where the church as an institution intersects with the congregation.
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Actually it says quite a bit, especially in Sections 27 and 31. Here are some excerpts:
In the history of the Church, even from earliest times, there were side-by-side with men a number of women, for whom the response of the Bride to the Bridegroom’s redemptive love acquired full expressive force. First we see those women who had personally encountered Christ and followed him. After his departure, together with the Apostles, they “devoted themselves to prayer” in the Upper Room in Jerusalem until the day of Pentecost. On that day the Holy Spirit spoke through “the sons and daughters” of the People of God, thus fulfilling the words of the prophet Joel (cf. Acts 2: 17). These women, and others afterwards, played an active and important role in the life of the early Church, in building up from its foundations the first Christian community - and subsequent communities - through their own charisms and their varied service. The apostolic writings note their names, such as Phoebe, “a deaconess of the Church at Cenchreae” (cf. Rom 16:1), Prisca with her husband Aquila (cf. 2 Tim 4:19), Euodia and Syntyche (cf. Phil 4:2), Mary, Tryphaena, Persis, and Tryphosa (cf. Rom 16:6, 12). Saint Paul speaks of their “hard work” for Christ, and this hard work indicates the various fields of the Church’s apostolic service, beginning with the “domestic Church”. For in the latter, “sincere faith” passes from the mother to her children and grandchildren, as was the case in the house of Timothy (cf. 2 Tim 1:5).
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The same thing is repeated down the centuries, from one generation to the next, as the history of the Church demonstrates. By defending the dignity of women and their vocation, the Church has shown honour and gratitude for those women who - faithful to the Gospel - have shared in every age in the apostolic mission of the whole People of God. They are the holy martyrs, virgins, and mothers of families, who bravely bore witness to their faith and passed on the Church’s faith and tradition by bringing up their children in the spirit of the Gospel.
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In every age and in every country we find many “perfect” women (cf. Prov. 31:10) who, despite persecution, difficulties and discrimination, have shared in the Church’s mission. It suffices to mention: Monica, the mother of Augustine, Macrina, Olga of Kiev, Matilda of Tuscany, Hedwig of Silesia, Jadwiga of Cracow, Elizabeth of Thuringia, Birgitta of Sweden, Joan of Arc, Rose of Lima, Elizabeth Ann Seton and Mary Ward.
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The witness and the achievements of Christian women have had a significant impact on the life of the Church as well as of society. Even in the face of serious social discrimination, holy women have acted “freely”, strengthened by their union with Christ. Such union and freedom rooted in God explain, for example, the great work of Saint Catherine of Siena in the life of the Church, and the work of Saint Teresa of Jesus in the monastic life.
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In our own days too the Church is constantly enriched by the witness of the many women who fulfil their vocation to holiness. Holy women are an incarnation of the feminine ideal; they are also a model for all Christians, a model of the “sequela Christi”, an example of how the Bride must respond with love to the love of the Bridegroom.
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I just began reading some of Teresa of Avila’s writings today, and I am very impressed with the holiness she exudes. I am grateful to the many holy women that have left behind legacies in their lives, writings, children, and to the whole Church.
 
The purpose of our lives is to be perfect in holiness through the Church. A truly holy person is not going to care whether or not she received any recognition for the greatness she has done because she knows that she is nothing and it is only through the power of the holy Spirit that she is able to accomplish anything good.
 
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Charbrah:
The purpose of our lives is to be perfect in holiness through the Church. A truly holy person is not going to care whether or not she received any recognition for the greatness she has done because she knows that she is nothing and it is only through the power of the holy Spirit that she is able to accomplish anything good.
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That may be fine for the already holy but the church has a bigger mission in getting people to that point, which is really the only point for the existence of the church.

The more the church encourages people to be catholics, then the more complete the church becomes.

Peace
 
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