Pope Honors Holocaust, Terror Victims in Israel

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Pope Francis honored Jews killed in the Holocaust and in terrorist attacks, and kissed the hands of Holocaust survivors as he capped his three-day Mideast trip with poignant stops Monday at some of the holiest and most haunting sites for Jews.

At Israel’s request, Francis deviated from his whirlwind itinerary to pray at a memorial to victims of terrorism, giving the Jewish state his full attention a day after voicing strong support for the Palestinian cause.

Visiting the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial, Francis prayed before a crypt with ashes of victims and laid a wreath of yellow and white flowers in the “Hall of Remembrance.”

And then one by one, he kissed the hands of a half-dozen Holocaust survivors in a sign of humility and honor as he heard their stories and of loved ones killed by the Nazis during World War II.

“Never again, Lord, never again!” Francis said. “Here we are, Lord, shamed by what man — created in your own image and likeness — was capable of doing.”
 
CNN certainly was reporting heavily on the Pontiff this afternoon. I’d really like to know why what he did or said over there was so “stunning” according to CNN.

Appears he acted admirable there.
 
Path_Finder said:
CNN certainly was reporting heavily on the Pontiff this afternoon. I’d really like to know why what he did or said over there was so “stunning” according to CNN.

Appears he acted admirable there.
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It is because he recognized the “state of Palestine.” There is no such thing, and that is a big thing.

wnd.com/2014/05/the-politically-tone-deaf-pope/

*Pope Francis, once again, has proven he is not politically infallible. He’s on the wrong side of history and truth, at least when it comes to the well-being of Israel.

Standing in Bethlehem with Mahmoud Abbas, the man who signed the check for the Munich Olympics terrorist murders, he said: “Our recent meeting in the Vatican and my presence today in Palestine attest to the good relations existing between the Holy See and the state of Palestine.”

“State of Palestine?” There is no state of Palestine. And, if the Middle East is to know peace before Jesus comes back, there won’t be one.

The Palestinian Authority, as it is known, is a thoroughly corrupt, morally repugnant terrorist organization with no political legitimacy. Why the pope is trying to lend it credibility suggests one of two things: He is clueless about Middle East politics or has an anti-Israel, anti-Jewish agenda.

Why do I say that?

There are many reasons, but let me focus on just one, for the sake of argument.

The Palestinian Authority not only takes a position that Palestinian statehood is inevitable in a place that has never in the history of the world seen a Palestinian state, but it insists that no Jews can live there.
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Read more at wnd.com/2014/05/the-politically-tone-deaf-pope/#46QRgCggPqUbrlkA.99

I am very concerned at this point what side the Pope is on.
 
I am very concerned at this point what side the Pope is on.

Political sides? Or good and evil sides?
 
Cherubini said:
I am very concerned at this point what side the Pope is on.
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The Church right now is being “politically correct” and showing clear liberal tendencies. We can say the Pope was not promoting socialist ideals by promoting wealth redistribution. He has, and has been. We have been trying to “analyze” his words and saying he does not mean what we think he means.

This has been going on for a while now, and it is very concerning.

Now for the Pope to openly recognize the “state of Palestine?” Make no mistake, that is no mistake. When I see political correctness or the trying to placate the left wingers in the world (who hate Israel and always defend muslims or 'Palestine) by making statements like this.

I wish someone could explain these things to me, cause there are many Catholics that are very concerned about what is going on.
 
Cath. Knight-----I couldn’t agree with you more.
I converted 10 years ago and am so incredibly concerned
and confused.

I’ve never trusted Communists. And after I came into
the Church, I learned to never trust Jesuits.
 
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The Holy Father is taking the side of Christ and loves all mankind.

Don’t take your lead from WND or Limbaugh or other conservative political pundants. Take your direction from the Gospels and Christ. He isn’t trying to be politically correct; he is being a good Christian.

There are Christians in Israel on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, by the way.
 
gilliam said:
The Holy Father is taking the side of Christ and loves all mankind.

Don’t take your lead from WND or Limbaugh or other conservative political pundants. Take your direction from the Gospels and Christ. He isn’t trying to be politically correct; he is being a good Christian.

There are Christians in Israel on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, by the way.
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So long as we agree that there is no such thing as the state of Palestine. I can pretty much identify who are the enemies of Christ or anti-Christ.

Many of them are the ones that take up arms against Israel. Those who promote godlessness in the world.

Being on their side on any issue is concerning, and it ought to be. Being politically correct was at no point any concern of Christ. Not for one moment.

Galatians 1:10

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

John 5:41

41 “Your approval or disapproval means nothing to me”

Now, is he doing this to endear himself to the world? I don’t know. What I am concerned about is when rhetoric starts matching that of the enemies of God. Is that what is happening? Well, I am not sure why he declared that Palestine was a state. Was that a mistake or deliberate?

As far as the redistribution of wealth, well that is another concern. That is the socialist credo. He has softened his stance on homosexuality.

Granted I could be wrong with all of this. Maybe someone can explain things to me with the statements he has made. I know the Church has concerns over Church attendance for obvious reasons.

I also know the Church has been entwined in massive scandals in regards to banking and funds. Have you researched these things? Those things are not concerns of yours?

How can these things not be concerns?
 
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gilliam said:
The Holy Father is taking the side of Christ and loves all mankind.

Don’t take your lead from WND or Limbaugh or other conservative political pundants. Take your direction from the Gospels and Christ. He isn’t trying to be politically correct; he is being a good Christian.

There are Christians in Israel on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian issue, by the way.
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👍 I agree, and I do not think that Pope Francis threw anybody a ‘curve-ball.’ Everyone was probably well aware of what was going to happen before the Pope’s visit.

I’m very pro-Israeli, BTW.

LOVE! ❤️
 
The Pope needs to do his own research on the $ Holy Cost $.

Never thought I would see the day the Pope prostrated himself before the Jews. :bowdown::banghead:

I am having a hard time taking this guy seriously.

Christ will not be pleased. Jews are the children of Satan, so sayeth the Lord, God, Almighty.

John 8:44-45

And don’t come at me with the whole “he just meant those jews in the room at the time.” Jews do NOT believe in Jesus, period. Why is he pandering to them?
 
There is a phrase from the Second Vatican Council that is essential: it says that God showed Himself to all men and rescues, first of all, the Chosen People. Since God is faithful to His promises, He did not reject them. The Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say: “You lost the game, now it is our turn.” It is a recognition of the People of Israel. That, I think, is the most courageous thing from Vatican II on the subject.
(Jorge M. Bergoglio and Abraham Skorka, On Heaven and Earth [New York: Image, 2013], p. 188)
 
The enemies of Israel are the enemies of Christ. The enemies of God. Look at those that are aligning against Israel. In fact, believers in Christ have essentially been grafted into the promises of God to His people. Not to say that Jews are automatically saved. Let us not forget that it was Jews that accepted Christ. Starting with our eternal mother.

Look at those that speak out against Israel. It is mainly the godless and those that want to slaughter every last Christian and Jew.
 
Robert_Sock said:
There is a phrase from the Second Vatican Council that is essential: it says that God showed Himself to all men and rescues, first of all, the Chosen People. Since God is faithful to His promises, He did not reject them. The Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say: “You lost the game, now it is our turn.” It is a recognition of the People of Israel. That, I think, is the most courageous thing from Vatican II on the subject.
(Jorge M. Bergoglio and Abraham Skorka, On Heaven and Earth [New York: Image, 2013], p. 188)
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Horse-puckey! Only through Christ will you be saved, period! Vatican 2 is an abomination.
Let us not forget that it was Jews that accepted Christ. Starting with our eternal mother.
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Look at those that speak out against Israel. It is mainly the godless and those that want to slaughter every last Christian and Jew.
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And let us not forget that is the Jews of TODAY who are the descendants of those Jesus CONDEMNED FOR ALL ETERNITY.

You do have a Bible, don’t you? Israel, as you know it in the modern sense is FALSE. Why do you think they call themselves Israelis and NOT Israelites?

Don’t believe me? Ask John: Those who call themselves JEWS but ARE NOT…

Seriously, you do have a Bible, don’t you? Do you ever read it?

Anyone who puts Judeo before Christ is just that, a JEW who denies Christ.

After the arrival of Jesus, there should be no Jews at all, save those that are not of the tribe of Abraham. They did not understand his words because they were of THEIR father, the father of lies, SATAN. Or do you overlook that part for PC’s sake?

The Pope should have told those satanic asiatic mongrels to convert, oh, that’s right, preaching the Word in Isn’tReal is Illegal!
 
Blood_Moon said:
Horse-puckey! Only through Christ will you be saved, period! Vatican 2 is an abomination.

And let us not forget that is the Jews of TODAY who are the descendants of those Jesus CONDEMNED FOR ALL ETERNITY.

You do have a Bible, don’t you? Israel, as you know it in the modern sense is FALSE. Why do you think they call themselves Israelis and NOT Israelites?

Don’t believe me? Ask John: Those who call themselves JEWS but ARE NOT…

Seriously, you do have a Bible, don’t you? Do you ever read it?

Anyone who puts Judeo before Christ is just that, a JEW who denies Christ.

After the arrival of Jesus, there should be no Jews at all, save those that are not of the tribe of Abraham. They did not understand his words because they were of THEIR father, the father of lies, SATAN. Or do you overlook that part for PC’s sake?

The Pope should have told those satanic asiatic mongrels to convert, oh, that’s right, preaching the Word in Isn’tReal is Illegal!
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Choose LOVE!!! Everything is cool.

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
Choose LOVE!!! Everything is cool.

LOVE! ❤️
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“Everything” is NOT “cool”, there is Good and there is EVIL. You side with Jews, you side with EVIL, that is your choice, God gives us all the same choice. I choose Christ, so should the Pope.

Do you have any idea what “love thy enemy, as you would love yourself” even means? It means that if you love someone you would stop them from doing wrong, you would never sit idly by and watch yourself do EVIL.

If you love them, Isrealis, your life’s mission should be to convert them, or would you watch YOURSELF live without Christ? Are you content with the knowledge that they are going to Hell? Is that where you see yourself going? Is that the kind of “love” you have for yourself, or me?

Go re-read Revelations. John writes down what God says, and God says that the identity of the old testament Jews was hi-jacked. In other words, the Jews that believed in Christ became Christians, the ones that did not believe in Him are the children of the Devil, and so are their off-spring: Those who call themselves Jews, but ARE NOT. These "people’ that you adore are evil. In many ways, the modern state of Isn’tReal is far, far worse than Nazi Germany. Last time I checked, Hitler never fire-bombed a civilian apartment building with white phosphorus, or harbored nuclear weapons in violation of the UN, oh, that’s right, your Jew pals won’t even sign the NNPT, yet demand that we Christians fight and die to keep Iran from obtaining the same weapons. Hypocrite much?

Isn’tReal is a terrorist, rogue state, funded by US tax money. They even attack US Navy vessels without any consequences.

Educate yourself, stop swallowing the Kosher lies you see on your TalmudVision.
 
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