Pope, in Book, Says Homosexuality Incompatible with Priesthood
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Inhimthroughher
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Amen
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Annie39
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I would like to see every homosexual priest laicized. I know one actually. Not only was he homosexual but he was an altar boy abuser but even if that were not the case I would still like to see them laicized.
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m134e5
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As bad as catechesis and seminary formation has been in many parts of the world in recent years, I wouldn’t be surprised if many homosexual men really didn’t know that they shouldn’t have entered the seminary. I’m not sure one who is living a chaste life as they should, and who didn’t knowingly do something they shouldn’t have done needs to be laicized. If they are not chaste, they should definitely be laicized- and if their unchaste behavior involves illegal activities, they should also be turned in to the police.
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nymid
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From the article:
“Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation…”
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with “the proper sense of paternity” that belongs to the priesthood.
AMEN.
“Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation…”
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with “the proper sense of paternity” that belongs to the priesthood.
AMEN.
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Annie39
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RoncalliM
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Agree with you Annie 100%.
Though I feel bad for the well-meaning closeted men who hoped to live a respectable life as a priest and now are now just fungible f@gs in the real world.
Imagine their first job interview after leaving. “I spent the last 20 years as a priest but had to leave because I’m gay.” Tough sell.
Though I feel bad for the well-meaning closeted men who hoped to live a respectable life as a priest and now are now just fungible f@gs in the real world.
Imagine their first job interview after leaving. “I spent the last 20 years as a priest but had to leave because I’m gay.” Tough sell.
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cyberwolf001
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Can’t be ordained. Can’t serve in the military (according to some on here). Cannot have a relationship with who they are attracted to. Should not hold office.
Just what can homosexuals do according to the Catholic Church?
Just what can homosexuals do according to the Catholic Church?
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Inhimthroughher
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They can seek help, overcome their disordered attraction, live holy lives, become saints, and spend eternity with Christ in Heaven.Can’t be ordained. Can’t serve in the military (according to some on here). Cannot have a relationship with who they are attracted to. Should not hold office.
Just what can homosexuals do according to the Catholic Church?
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rlg94086
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A chaste, single man with same-sex desires can certainly serve in the military (don’t ask don’t tell), and I can’t imagine a reason they would not be allowed tohold office. There are a myriad of jobs that a chaste, single man with same-sex desires can do, so I’m not sure why you think the Catholic Church is constraining them from anything more than the priesthood and having a sinful relationship.Can’t be ordained. Can’t serve in the military (according to some on here). Cannot have a relationship with who they are attracted to. Should not hold office.
Just what can homosexuals do according to the Catholic Church?
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rlg94086
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sidbrown
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From everything that has been appearing in the news and in other reports, I would say that words such as these should be backed up by some action. Are these words actually enforced in the real world of Catholic seminaries today?
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NewEnglandPriest
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Homosexual orientation, in practice, is essentially treated as “don’t ask, don’t tell” in most seminaries. As long as the man isn’t overly effiminate and remains chaste most seminaries aren’t spending time trying to “out” the seminarians. However, any seminarian who outs himself or who gets caught being unchaste would be told to leave.
What the Holy Father said will always be the “official line” but it’ll never be enforced 100% and no one, including the Pope, will ever push for it to be so.
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Adeodatus
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What a tragic, bitter shame that is. It should be enforced.
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m134e5
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Just because they’ve made a commitment they shouldn’t have made doesn’t make it right to completely stop functioning as a priest. Leaving public ministry, but not being defrocked (so they may still say Mass licitly, but privately) seems better to me. They should discern with the help of a spiritual director (more than one would be good) what they are supposed to do next and at the very least, I’d imagine it would involve intense spiritual direction and regular counseling. If their bishop, spiritual directors, counselors decide after assessing the situation that it’s best that they leave active ministry, then they should leave. Whatever is done with them, the value of their soul, the fact that God also has a plan for their lives, and the fact that they are a priest forever must be recognized.
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Inhimthroughher
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There are (thankfully)bishops, vocation directors, and seminaries, who, do ask and, will not sponsor anyone who is homosexual or has a disordered sex life. Many of the physcholoical tests now taken befoe entering seminary are to help identify those who are homosexuals or have other disordered sexual tendencies.
Good bishops and seminaries are sorting these candidates out, though there will always be those who are disobedient.
Why do you say no one including the Pope will push for it to be enforced? Do you think he does not believe what he is saying? What proof do you have to make such a statement?
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cyberwolf001
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A very horrid fate that I wouldn’t wish on my worse enemy.
The moment their fellow soldiers realize they are not dating or pursuing members of the opposite sex they get exposed and out they go. Many on this board have stated it is against Church teaching for gays to hold officer and in the past Catholic groups have opposed homosexuals that ran.A chaste, single man with same-sex desires can certainly serve in the military (don’t ask don’t tell), and I can’t imagine a reason they would not be allowed tohold office. There are a myriad of jobs that a chaste, single man with same-sex desires can do, so I’m not sure why you think the Catholic Church is constraining them from anything more than the priesthood and having a sinful relationship.
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NewEnglandPriest
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I say it because the Church doesn’t work like an American legal system. It works more like a European, and specifically Italian, legal system. This article by John Allen captures it pretty well:
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rlg94086
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If the seminarian doesn’t “out” himself, then he is not being honest. That’s pretty sad.
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rlg94086
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You are blurring the line somewhat. A chaste, single man running for office wouldn’t be an issue unless he is pushing for homosexual marriage and the like…in which case the issue isn’t his sexual preference, but rather policy.
As far as your soldier statement, I don’t think that is accurate. DADT does not call for people being outed for “not dating or pursuing members of the opposite sex.” That would be the “don’t ask” part of the DADT.
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