Pope John Paul II Mass in Papua New Guinea

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Has anyone here seen the pictures of the nude woman who was a reader at the papal mass in New Guinea on May 8, 1984? I was shocked to see that a nude woman would be allowed on the alter. I have always loved St. Pope John Paul II, so I have no idea what to make of this. Am I just prude, or does nudity not belong in the mass?
 
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It is a different culture and this was traditional dress.
Nothing at all wrong with it at all. We cannot put our Western standards on this culture.
 
Has anyone here seen the pictures of the nude woman who was a reader at the papal mass in New Guinea on May 8, 1984?
No one was nude. The woman had on native dress. Her breasts weren’t entirely covered. Her genitals certainly were covered by her skirt.
Am I just prude, or does nudity not belong in the mass?
Breasts are sexual in the western world, but that is a western problem. Breasts are for feeding babies. Most indigenous peoples dress this way because female breasts are not sexualized.
 
weren’t entirely covered
They were not covered at all in front of the pope who was a westerner. I understand that it was a different culture, but there was a little girl (probably the daughter) in a western style children dress while (I’m guessing) her mom was fully exposed on her chest and the sides of her buttocks were obvious. Oh, during mass. Not to mention she was the lector. I just don’t get why she had to be nude in front of all those western priests and the pope. I mean, I feel bad wearing a one piece at the beach because it doesn’t cover me enough. What happened to spreading the gospel? Or, do the parts about modesty not apply because they they are “different cultures”? If that is the reasoning then I should be able to wear a string bikini considering the direction our “culture” is going.But, I don’t because I respect the message of our lady of Fatima who said “fashions” would be introduced that would be offensive to God. One of those fashions, I would venture to say, is having half nude people lecturing at mass.
 
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Has anyone here seen the pictures of the nude woman who was a reader at the papal mass in New Guinea on May 8, 1984? I was shocked to see that a nude woman would be allowed on the alter. I have always loved St. Pope John Paul II, so I have no idea what to make of this. Am I just prude, or does nudity not belong in the mass?
Papua New Guinea, not New Guinea. Half the land Mass is an independent state and different country.
No one was allowed on an Altar.

This country has long been the realm of cannabilism, kidnapping, and a lot of pagan practices. To have people turn out like that for the Pope was a great event for his Ministry and for God.
I feel bad wearing a one piece at the beach
I would never put on a one piece and go to the beach. I have the same ‘wow what is she wearing, or not’ that you have with this woman.
message of our lady of Fatima who said “fashions” would be introduced that would be offensive to God.
I am sure Our Lady would never wear a one piece to the beach.
The natives in attendance
This word ‘native’ is equivalent to the ‘N’ word in American Society. Please do not use it.

The correct word is ‘Indigenous’ or ‘First peoples’

It is not a good idea to make a National Geographic of every event like this. Instead, look at all the clothed people to the western standard that have attended Papal Masses in PNG
 
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Has anyone ever looked at the Sistine chapel? I’m told Popes have been there.
 
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Am I just prude
I would have to say in this particular case, yes, because you are rejecting all the reasonable explanations that several people in the thread have given to you and insisting that your own view is the “Catholic” view.
I respect the message of our lady of Fatima who said “fashions” would be introduced that would be offensive to God. One of those fashions, I would venture to say, is having half nude people lecturing at mass.
The traditional dress of an indigenous people who probably have been dressing that way for hundreds of years, who do not see it as sexual or indecent, and whose dress is adapted to their climate and lifestyle is hardly “fashion”, nor was it just “introduced”.

As several others have said, this is not a problem, except in your own mind.
 
There is another problem that I would caution the OP about, and a question: @CatholicWife1, how did you learn about this papal Mass in Papua New Guinea on May 8, 1984?

When I searched the internet for information on it, I found several web pages that were sharply critical of JPII (and not just about this Mass), at least one questioning his sainthood, and some were either bordering on or full-on sedevacantist.

If you are following such websites or email lists, I would advise you in all charity to stop following them, and rather look for online (or offline) resources that build trust in the Church as they strengthen your faith in God and love for all.
 
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where is your link please to what you have stated Thanks

I looked at a few youtubes of the mass and not one was what you stated, please again find us the link and section of what you are describing . Thanks
 
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Thank you. This event at a papal Mass (of a sainted Pope at that) should (but won’t) put to rest the constant modesty debates at CAF. The Catechism clearly teaches that modesty is informed by culture. We’ve had plenty of people here on CAF who insist modesty is universal (and somehow that universal standard seems to be 1950s America)… just not true.
 
I don’t think this really has anything to do with modesty or CAF. It has to do with certain people who are using the Amazonian people (Indigenous people) for their own sick agenda of not developing doctrine but changing doctrine and the teachings of Christ. And what is really disturbing is their promoting Liberation Theology! And some of these people claim to know the Amazonian people because of their work with them. That doesn’t give you the right to change the teachings of Christ or what the Church teaches too. To develop doctrine doesn’t mean using people for your own particular interest or agenda. That is not being a missionary but something other than Christ.
 
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Papua New Guinea isn’t anywhere near the Amazon.
shhh!

I know a few really holy sisters that were in PNG for quite some time, and Geologists who worked at that mine that is quite controversial now.

To have Catholicism there and Papal Masses is such a blessing. We are talking of tribes who kidnap men and cannibalise them eventually. To be focussed on the garb worn by a lectionary really pales in significance to what is still going on in PNG in the highlands. Then there is the piracy on the high seas

There is no liberation theology in PNG.

There are weapons, both modern and ancient, Tribal law, and what goes along with tribal warfare.
 
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Breasts are sexual in the western world, but that is a western problem. Breasts are for feeding babies. Most indigenous peoples dress this way because female breasts are not sexualized.
True. The pregnant belly and full breasts are testament to the mysterious gift of fertility. It makes me baulk to think that westerners who’ve no doubt at some point in their lives used contraception to thwart this gift revered as natural and divine in tribal cultures, have a gall to destroy that notion. Strange strange place the Catholic psyche has gone to.
 
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Breasts are sexual in the western world, but that is a western problem. Breasts are for feeding babies. Most indigenous peoples dress this way because female breasts are not sexualized.
True. The pregnant belly and full breasts are testament to the mysterious gift of fertility. It makes me baulk to think that westerners who’ve no doubt at some point in their lives used contraception to thwart this gift revered as natural and divine in tribal cultures, have a gall to destroy that notion. Strange strange place the Catholic psyche has gone to.
In fact I wonder if people feel that it would not be theft to go into a persons home and destroy their condoms and pills as they are symbols of idol worship according to the New testament? Idolatry of the flesh is so serious as to prevent entering heaven/
 
Thanks for the links but the request was to the OP who began this thread. I knew a missionary who served in PNG, they have serious tribal wars. And pigs are very important to their culture. It is an amazing place to be a missionary …pray for PNG
 
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