Pope laments broken marriage bonds, calls for equal pay for equal work [CC]

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This whole idea of equality is dumb. People don’t want equality, otherwise, why do they work so hard to rise above?
People want to be treated fairly. I think it’s fair to say that women would appreciate being paid the same amount for the same type and quality of work as men. Everyone will always want to make more and to better themselves, but no one will be satisfied if they are being compensated less than someone else doing the same work.
 
People want to be treated fairly. I think it’s fair to say that women would appreciate being paid the same amount for the same type and quality of work as men. Everyone will always want to make more and to better themselves, but no one will be satisfied if they are being compensated less than someone else doing the same work.
Question:

Team Project Lead **A **has ten years experience, earns $100,000 per year.

Team Project Lead **B **has one year of experience, earns $80,000 per year.

They hold identical positions, but their earnings are different due to experience. Fair or unfair?
 
Question:

Team Project Lead **A **has ten years experience, earns $100,000 per year.

Team Project Lead **B **has one year of experience, earns $80,000 per year.

They hold identical positions, but their earnings are different due to experience. Fair or unfair?
It is fair for a person with more experience to make more money than someone with less. But the pay gap cannot be explained entirely by different years in the work force, because the gap in pay between men and women exists even one year out of college.
 
Agreed, but why don’t they just hire mostly women?
Some employers actually do prefer to hire women. I don’t know about the Western, first world but in some parts of the third world they do.

I have lived overseas, and there are some multinational corporations out there who do preferentially hire women for manufacturing jobs, usually in light industry, from making shoes to circuit boards. Granted not all, but there are some and it is no secret among the locals.
 
Here are some real examples:

Case #1. A female is having an affair with Mr. Bigg. She decides to have him relieve her of some of the less desirable tasks in her description of duties. Mr. Schmuckattelli sitting in the corner minding his own business and doing his work gets her undesirable work dumped on him by Mr. Bigg.

Case #2. A team of engineering supervisors have to select an employee to run an errand. We [as a group] select a new hire secretary so she can learn the ropes. She heartily agrees. Mzzz Secretary No. One gets wind of it and decides [without consulting us] that we’re beating up on poor Mzzz Little Secretary and reports this enormous crime against humanity to Mr. Bigg, who decides to re-open the Nuremberg Trials with Schmuckattelli as a defendant … again.
Yeah… That is totally what I spend my time doing at work. Seducing the manager. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And people wonder why I think that gender inequities and sexism exist in the Church.
 
… I think it’s fair to say that women would appreciate being paid the same amount for the same type and quality of work as men. …
How do you know they are making less? I have never seen any evidence to back up the claim that for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes only 70 cents.
 
Here are some real examples:

Case #1. A female is having an affair with Mr. Bigg. She decides to have him relieve her of some of the less desirable tasks in her description of duties. Mr. Schmuckattelli sitting in the corner minding his own business and doing his work gets her undesirable work dumped on him by Mr. Bigg.

Case #2. A team of engineering supervisors have to select an employee to run an errand. We [as a group] select a new hire secretary so she can learn the ropes. She heartily agrees. Mzzz Secretary No. One gets wind of it and decides [without consulting us] that we’re beating up on poor Mzzz Little Secretary and reports this enormous crime against humanity to Mr. Bigg, who decides to re-open the Nuremberg Trials with Schmuckattelli as a defendant … again.
Yup.

In an engineering firm I worked for, half of the female engineers were excellent, and the other half were worse than deadweight. The had to keep the worthless ones on board to look more “diverse” for government contracts.

It’s a shame, because the good female engineers, though much smaller, could easily stand toe-to-toe with our male engineers, but the bad ones dragged them down in people’s eyes.
 
Yup.

In an engineering firm I worked for, half of the female engineers were excellent, and the other half were worse than deadweight. The had to keep the worthless ones on board to look more “diverse” for government contracts.

It’s a shame, because the good female engineers, though much smaller, could easily stand toe-to-toe with our male engineers, but the bad ones dragged them down in people’s eyes.
Two of my best engineers were women … and Vietnamese at that! I always made sure they got better than average bonuses. My worst were a few Caucasian males.
 
Two of my best engineers were women … and Vietnamese at that! I always made sure they got better than average bonuses. My worst were a few Caucasian males.
Oh my goodness, women and Vietnamese?? How shocking that engineers could be either.
 
I thought so. That is not evidence because it doesn’t account for any factors influencing the numbers."
Did you read the report?

It does take into consideration factors like education, years in the workforce, etc. There is still a pay gap of 7% even after controlling for these factors. This is unexplained by any of the factors that we might consider relevant to job earnings.
 
Did you read the report?

It does take into consideration factors like education, years in the workforce, etc. There is still a pay gap of 7% even after controlling for these factors. This is unexplained by any of the factors that we might consider relevant to job earnings.
Where in the equations on pg. 5 does it do that?

You can find racism under a rock if you look at it the right way.
 
Where in the equations on pg. 5 does it do that?
The page 5 formula is the complete pay gap, demonstrating a 22% difference in pay. The rest of the report explores the factors that contribute to this, including a 7% unexplained difference that cannot be attributed to differences in hours working or education. It’s not original research; they cite their sources if you’d like to look at the raw data.
 
The page 5 formula is the complete pay gap, demonstrating a 22% difference in pay. …
It doesn’t demonstrate anything but the liberal skill in fooling the gullible with a phony statistical “analysis”. It lumps together such widely spread occupations as circus lion trainers, bank tellers, motor bike policemen, firefighters, baby sitters, and soldiers of fortune.

I suggest you read the article I linked.
 
I encourage you to read, “Economic Organization of a POW Camp” at facstaff. uww. edu/kashianr/POWCampRadford. pdf by economist R.A. Radford who describes what happens when people, although confined, are free to engage in trade to better their condition. This is the real basic economics.
I follow you. It seems that whenever I hear the cries of pay injustice, I can’t help but feel these people are looking for some unionization rationale. It only makes sense; if one feels he can’t negotiate successfully on his/her own, then he’d want to take his chances with an agent or a union.
 
It doesn’t demonstrate anything but the liberal skill in fooling the gullible with a phony statistical “analysis”. It lumps together such widely spread occupations as circus lion trainers, bank tellers, motor bike policemen, firefighters, baby sitters, and soldiers of fortune.

I suggest you read the article I linked.
Sigh. Yes, that is why I’m not claiming there is an actual 22% pay discrimination between men and women, because some of that effect can be explained by job choice, with more men choosing jobs like engineering and more women going in to education and nursing. Even controlling for job sector, there is still a wage gap.

I’ll read your article if you read my report.
 
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