Pope may have 'exorcised' ill man, say experts

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My take is that god placed this young man and priest there to show the world that the devil does exist and that even though pope Francis did not intend to perform one god had other ideas and allowed this to take place unknowing to the holy father. I am pleased that this took place and that the holy father speaks frequently to warn us of the prince of this world it was a lesson for all of us to see. He teaches us through his actions pope Francis is the vicar of Christ for all of us thank you lord for sending us such a servant of yours to show us the truth.
 
Fr Amorth Chief Exorcist of Rome stated that what happened was in fact an exorcism.

Famous exorcist says Pope’s simple prayer cast out demon
By Estefania Aguirre

Rome, Italy, May 24, 2013 / 03:58 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Rome’s most well known exorcist says Pope Francis performed an exorcism in St. Peter’s Square last Sunday and that the man was possessed because of Mexico’s abortion law.

“The Pope, in good faith, got close to him and performed an exorcism on him in the form of a liberation prayer, not like the classical exorcism that one does with a book,” said Father Gabriele Amorth in a May 22 evening interview with CNA.

“He is really a soul of God, which the Lord is using to criticize Mexico for legalizing abortion,” he said.

According to Fr. Amorth, he himself performed an exorcism for over an hour on the Mexican man before the Pope prayed over him later that same day in St. Peter’s Square.

“I’m well informed about that young man; a good, golden, young man, he appears younger than what he is,” said Fr. Amorth. “He is 43 years-old (and) married with children.”

“I saw John Paul II do this same prayer three times,” he said. “Pope Francis laid his hands on him, prayed, and that’s it. It is enough.”

Fr. Amorth, aged 88, has performed over 70,000 exorcisms during the past 27 years. The number is high because carrying out an exorcism can require multiple sessions and each time the rite is administered it is counted as one instance.

After the interview with CNA, he made comments May 22 at Rome’s Lepanto Foundation, a Catholic book organization where he was invited to speak on his two latest books: “The last exorcist, my battle against Satan” and “The sign of the exorcist, my latest battles against Satan.”

“You must have noticed that in his 10 short speeches, this Pope has always mentioned ‘his excellency,’ the devil,” he said during the evening meeting, which had a dramatic feel to it because of the subject matter and the pouring rain and thunder outside.

“What did he do last Sunday?” asked the exorcist. “When Mass finished, as he normally does, with his simplicity, he walked over to greet a few sick, and a Mexican priest pointed out to him a young man possessed by the devil.”

He noted that the Pope “did not hide himself in this liberation prayer that he did on this young man at the Square.”

“Jesus did exorcisms on the street, in homes, wherever,” said Fr. Amorth. “I’ve had to change 23 places in Rome to be able to do exorcisms.”

“I would like for everyone to attend exorcisms,” he added. “I’ve seen many priests that, after having seen one, did not doubt anymore about the existence of Satan. One has to see it.”

Fr. Amorth said people no longer believe in the devil now and there is a shortage of exorcists.

“Today there are no more exorcists because of the bishops,” he charged. “I’ve been saying for 27 years that when a bishop doesn’t provide, he commits a mortal sin.”

“But not all bishops are in the state of mortal sin, shucks that would be a lot of bishops,” he joked.

Fr. Amorth stated that everyone has the power to cast out devils if they have enough faith in Jesus Christ, and that these abilities are “gifts of the Holy Spirit.”

“But if one truly has this gift he keeps it hidden and is humble about it,” he pointed out.

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For those that are interested there is another thread open for discussion in
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If the Pope had exorcised the man, then the man’s demons would be gone. They are not.

He still has them apparently, and the chief exorcist of the Vatican confirms that he definitely is possessed.

Apparently he has been through 30 exorcisms to no avail. The chief exorcist said it takes several exorcisms sometimes.

But why is this? Is this scriptural? Surely it should just take one exorcism to remove demons, especially from the pope! What’s the reasoning that several may be necessary?
 
I don’t know if this helps but I got this from scripture

From New Advent

Christ also empowered the Apostles and Disciples to cast out demons in His name while He Himself was still on earth (Matthew 10:1 and 8; Mark 6:7; Luke 9:1; 10:17), and to believers generally He promised the same power (Mark 16:17). But the efficacy of this delegated power was conditional, as we see from the fact that the Apostles themselves were not always successful in their exorcisms: certain kinds of spirits, as Christ explained, could only be cast out by prayer and fasting (Matthew 17:15, 20; Mark 9:27-28; Luke 9:40). In other words the success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ’s name, is subject to the same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the use of charismatic power depend. Yet conspicuous success was promised (Mark 16:17). St. Paul (Acts 16:18; 19:12), and, no doubt, the other Apostles and Disciples, made use of regularly, as occasion arose, of their exorcising power, and the Church has continued to do so uninterruptedly to the present day.

In other words the success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ’s name, is subject to the same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the use of charismatic power depend.
 
Arturo_Ortiz said:
I don’t know if this helps but I got this from scripture

From New Advent

Christ also empowered the Apostles and Disciples to cast out demons in His name while He Himself was still on earth (Matthew 10:1 and 8; Mark 6:7; Luke 9:1; 10:17), and to believers generally He promised the same power (Mark 16:17). But the efficacy of this delegated power was conditional, as we see from the fact that the Apostles themselves were not always successful in their exorcisms: certain kinds of spirits, as Christ explained, could only be cast out by prayer and fasting (Matthew 17:15, 20; Mark 9:27-28; Luke 9:40). In other words the success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ’s name, is subject to the same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the use of charismatic power depend. Yet conspicuous success was promised (Mark 16:17). St. Paul (Acts 16:18; 19:12), and, no doubt, the other Apostles and Disciples, made use of regularly, as occasion arose, of their exorcising power, and the Church has continued to do so uninterruptedly to the present day.

In other words the success of exorcism by Christians, in Christ’s name, is subject to the same general conditions on which both the efficacy of prayer and the use of charismatic power depend.
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Aha, thank you very much. Great answer.
 
newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Pope-Excorcism-Possessed-Angel/2013/05/29/id/506975
“Identified only as Angel V., the man told Spanish-language newspaper El Mundo that he had undergone some 30 exorcisms by 10 exorcists, including the renowned Roman exorcist Rev. Gabriel Amorth, who all tried unsuccessfully to free him from his affliction. The interview was reported in the Italian daily La Stampa.”…

The article goes on to say that Rev. Gabriel Amorth says: " “Not only is he possessed, but the devil who lives in him finds himself obliged by God to transmit a message,” he said…"
 
A few of points:
  1. We know nothing of the man in question, his disability.
  2. We don’t know if he is prone to seizures.
  3. Even if it was in a public place, I don’t think confidentiality would be broken by talking about supposed previous exorcisms.
  4. Spokesmen said it wasn’t an exorcism.
that being said;
5) Francis is clearly reacting to what the priest is saying to him, and the overall demeanour seems different. While it may not be an exorcism, or deliverance prayer, some sort of special case is being made. Even if a special prayer of healing.
6) The reaction of the bodyguards is interesting. One clearly knows what’s going on and prevents another from reacting .
7) The document is interesting.

Other than that, I don’t think anything can be said with certainty.
 
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