Pope: Medugorie "International Sanctuary"

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A friend of mine told me that Pope Benedict XVI plans to make Medugorie an “international sanctuary”. He said it was in the European papers.
Can anyone confirm this?
 
The Vatican has not even approved those visitations yet, so how can it be declared an international sanctuary?
 
probably just more speculation from Medjugorje fanatics who wish the Church would recognize the apparition. It’s already been condemned by at least 2 different bishops, and the Vatican has upheld these rulings. Best to stay away from Medjugorje.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
probably just more speculation from Medjugorje fanatics who wish the Church would recognize the apparition. It’s already been condemned by at least 2 different bishops, and the Vatican has upheld these rulings. Best to stay away from Medjugorje.
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I notice that the above poster uses the label “Medjugorje fanatics” in a disrespectful and insulting manner in reference to fellow Catholics. Many Catholics who follow not yet approved or formally condemned alleged spiritual phenomena are sincerly seeking to deepen and edify their faith walk with Jesus. St. Paul instructs that we are to do good, extend kindness, to all but “especially to those who are the of the same household of faith”.

“So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.”** Galatians 6:10**

“Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassion, kindness, lowliness, meekness, and patience, **forbearing one another ** and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him”. Colossians 3:12-17

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us have no self-conceit, no provoking of one another, no envy of one another.” **Galatians 5:22-26 **
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
probably just more speculation from Medjugorje fanatics who wish the Church would recognize the apparition. It’s already been condemned by at least 2 different bishops, and the Vatican has upheld these rulings. Best to stay away from Medjugorje.
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our priest goes to Medugorje every fall! he even puts out fliers at the church with pilgirmages to medugorje. Is he right in doing so? he even has a photo taken by a woman at the parish allegedly of the
Blessed Mother taken from the window of an airplane. This photo
is hanging on the wall in the doorway as you enter the church.
 
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TPJCatholic:
setter,

The problem is false apparitions can do much harm.
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I was only commenting on the uncharitable manner of presentation of the poster toward fellow Catholics which lends itself to division and strife.

Yes, false apparitions and false spiritual phenomena can cause much harm. The Church has not officially approved or condemned the particular apparition in question. Perhaps we would do each other a favor and reserve judgment until the Church has spoken the final word (assuming they will in such a significant alleged apparition) and humbly heed the words of Jesus:

"For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; for each tree is known by its own fruit. Luke 6:43-44
 
Before I invest so much of myself and my hard earned money I would feel better knowing the Apparition is authentic. I believe there are issues of disobedience concerning Medugorie. That’s a flag for me.
 
setter,

I agree that we should always treat each other with charity…do doubt about that at all. However, two loca Bishops have spoken on the matter and I do not see the Holy See’ overruling their statements. Either way, since they are not approved and since it looks as if they are not likely to be approved any time soon, Catholics would do well to move onto things that are formally of the faith/God.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
probably just more speculation from Medjugorje fanatics who wish the Church would recognize the apparition. It’s already been condemned by at least 2 different bishops, and** the Vatican has upheld these rulings**. Best to stay away from Medjugorje.
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Could you give us a link for that? It was my impression that the Vatican transferred authority for this matter to the National Council of Bishops.
 
Could you give us a link for that? It was my impression that the Vatican transferred authority for this matter to the National Council of Bishops.
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You are correct on that.
In fact, it was Ratzinger himself who did this.
It was an unprecedented act really.

The Zadar Proclamation is the only decision that has been published that has received official recognition from the Church.
The Council that produced that paper disbanded due to changing political realignment in the area.
The new Council now has jurisdiction over the matter (not the local bishop) but has decided to let the matter rest as it is for now.
 
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TPJCatholic:
setter,

I agree that we should always treat each other with charity…do doubt about that at all. However, two loca Bishops have spoken on the matter and I do not see the Holy See’ overruling their statements. Either way, since they are not approved and since it looks as if they are not likely to be approved any time soon, Catholics would do well to move onto things that are formally of the faith/God.
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My understanding is that the Church normally does not definitively (if they rule at all) rule if an alleged apparition is worthy of belief or not (as in not supernatural in origin or deemed not authentically from God).

I am all strictly for exercising caution and discernment, but in the absence of obvious error or “bad fruit” ascribed to the particular spiritual phenomenon, why the push for those Catholics who are benefiting in the ways of God, while not to the neglect of the formal/sacramental life of faith, for them “to move onto things that are formally of faith/God”? Have you considered that God may so be choosing to visit His flock through these avenues of relevant personal revelation or movements (ex. Charismatic renewal)?
 
setter,

Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, is present in HIs Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in every Catholic Church. One does not need to go to any apparition site to make a personal encounter with God, they need only to go to their local Church and worship and praise God in person.

I see no reason for any Catholic to go to sites that are not yet approved, and have also received negative statements by the local Bishops. We have all the tools we need.
 
I find this highly unlikely.

What is an “Internation Sanctuary”? and what right and power does the Pope have to declare such a thing?

Seems very fishy to me, just another one of those rumors with no credible source.

I think the Med. crowd got tired of seeing all the rumors about the SSPX lately and decided to push their agenda forward.
 
I think the Med. crowd got tired of seeing all the rumors about the SSPX lately and decided to push their agenda forward
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I checked their official website…there was absolutely nothing about this. Nada.

Maybe the op could try to get more details?
 
Joe Kelley:
Could you give us a link for that? It was my impression that the Vatican transferred authority for this matter to the National Council of Bishops.
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Sorry, Joe, you’re correct. I just meant the Vatican is aware of the bishops’ decisions and have not intervened.
 
Setter,

I do apologize that my remark offended you. I did not mean the word “fanatic” to be insulting. I just think it describes a lot of the attitude I’ve seen from those who follow Medjugorje. Fanatic simply means “one who is marked by extreme entusiasm for a cause.” I think this is true of many people who would like to see medjugorje approved.

I don’t think those who follow Medjugorje are bad people. I just think it’s unwise considering 2 successors of the Apostles-- whose job it is to protect us from things like false doctrine and false appartitions-- have declared that nothing supernatural is occurring in Medjugorje.
 
Let’s remember that one person who had a soft spot in his heart for Medjugorje was John Paul II.
Those who presented his favorable comments were accused of fabricating them…but a couple from Poland who had written correspondence with JPII produced a letter that supported those sentiments.
So…unless someone can prove this catholic couple from Poland fabricated this letter - it appears the leader of our Church may not have shared the opinion of the local bishop.
Maybe this is why Ratzinger placed the matter with the Council.
That, of course, is just my own speculation.
 
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