I would not say that Pope John Paul II was not Catholic. We have no authority to judge the Catholicity of the pope himself and certainly we can not judge his motives. However, we can judge the actions of a pope and some of John Paul II’s actions were not Catholic. Two that come to mind immediately are his kissing of the Koran and his two inter-religious prayer meetings at Assisi. I think it is important to recognise when a pope does something that the faithful should not emulate, but there is no point in harping on it. The best thing we can do is to pray for the pope, that his faith not fail and that he confirm the brethren in that same faith.
looks like you encountered a false Sedevaticantist site. Stay far away from those ninkapoops
Who are we to say parts of the Book of Mormon are not inspired? We are not to say the Church is to say which is the Pillar of truth. The Qu’ran is not divinly inspried because it brings souls further away from Christ and not closer which is not something God would inspire. I also do not have anything against Pope John Paul II. I think he was a great Pope and a great example of how one must love their fellow brethren.
The Koran is blasphemous in what it says about our Lord Jesus Christ. We must respect those who adhere to error but we can not respect error itself. If John Paul II’s ecumenical efforts were to bring into the Catholic faith all those who are outside of the Church then of course I would applaud them. But, if ecumenism only confirms others in their erroneous beliefs then it is a false ecumenism which was condemned by several 20th century popes.
The Muslims would most certainly disagree with you on this one.
I am apalled that the honorific the Great is being thrown around again in this fashion.John Paul II is more than enough as an identifier.
Anything composed by a pedophile deluded by demons cannot said to every in part or whole to be inspired by God.
Hmm, the parts of the BOM that were copied from the KJV were (at least, originally) inspired. I wouldn’t say the same about the parts that were made up.
I’m unfamiliar with the exact protocal that leads to an honorific becoming attached to any Church dignitary’s name. Beyond that, and agreeing with the observations that he was the validly elected Pope of the Catholic Church, I frankly am** appalled** that anyone (on this sub-forum in particular) claiming to be Catholic would insinuate some spiritual failing or lack of genuine participation or membership in the Faith of which JP II was the divinely inspired leader for so many years. Challenging a Pope’s status so irreverantly and without overwhelming and unrefutable evidence impresses even me, ordinarily more liberal on all things legalistic, as bordering on the heretical. I can’t begin to describe how offensive I find this exercise.
Kissing a gift IS, as far as I have been told, a proper thing to do in that culture. (depending on the gift I suppose - you wouldn’t want to kiss a pet animal that was a gift or anything!)
People slandered Christ also…Christ said in the sermon on the mount you are blessed when you are persecuted for righteousness sakeI’m unfamiliar with the exact protocal that leads to an honorific becoming attached to any Church dignitary’s name. Beyond that, and agreeing with the observations that he was the validly elected Pope of the Catholic Church, I frankly am** appalled** that anyone (on this sub-forum in particular) claiming to be Catholic would insinuate some spiritual failing or lack of genuine participation or membership in the Faith of which JP II was the divinely inspired leader for so many years. Challenging a Pope’s status so irreverantly and without overwhelming and unrefutable evidence impresses even me, ordinarily more liberal on all things legalistic, as bordering on the heretical. I can’t begin to describe how offensive I find this exercise.
Amen…
Haha This question was born on the “modesty” thread in which the OP declared that there were times when Pope John Paul II was not Catholic. You just inadvertently called the OP a “ninkapoop!”
I agree. There seems to be almost a mania to do so.
I think “ninkapoop” refers to the site that was making an issue of Pope John Paul the Great kissing the Coran, not the poster.Haha This question was born on the “modesty” thread in which the OP declared that there were times when Pope John Paul II was not Catholic. You just inadvertently called the OP a “ninkapoop!”
Actually, the “other forum” where “ninkapoop” was used was the thread on “modesty” here on the CAF. A poster there stated that Pope John Paul II was “not always Catholic.” The OP of THIS thread used that as a springboard to this thread so as not to derail the other.