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Bruno_Schulz
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As I said before:
it is a matter between God and the individual.
it is a matter between God and the individual.
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LilyM
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I know
I’m just putting the other side out there.
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AMDGtoo
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Of course, we know that we are not supposed to confuse the Rites. And I believe that there was an article in this thread about how kneeling is out of adoration. IMO it’s not just a matter of “human respect”.
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Bruno_Schulz
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How right you are. Oh, that’s not just a humble opinion of yours. Too many humanise God, telling Him: "well you know, it’s no longer “in” to kneel down for a king - so I hope You don’t mind I don’t either
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Lepanto
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That’s the perspective of “just the bible and me” non-denominational Christians.
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Bruno_Schulz
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This my Dear, is really the wrong track you follow there.
With all respect to your, sorry, wrong sight of the situation, NO. Not in he least! Sorry.
It’s much more so the word of the Pope when he said
THERE ARE AS MANY WAYS TO GOD AS THERE ARE PEOPLE
The idea is, that it’s not the Bible we adore, but God himself. Grounded on the Holy Bible plus the teaching of the church, every single one of us must find his very own relation to God. At the end, it’s not the bible, but God Himself you are responsible to. I - due to my poor English can’t express this clearly enough, but God is present to those, who live in God. In that case, you talk to God and match your relation to God not on the bible, but on God Himself in a dialogue (prayer) again neither with bible nor church, but God himself.
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Tsuwano
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Ok, now your just being petulant. I apoligized to you twice in this forum and both times have been rejected. You have mentioned in a previous post that you just don’t know what to say. Well, let me give you an example of some things you could have said.
- I graciously accept both of your apologies, though in truth only one is sufficient. I realize you did not mean to insult me and I’m ready to let bygones be gone.
- No apology is necessary. I am easily offended and I admit that I overreacted to your post. Indeed, it is I who owe you an apology. Allow me to explain my own thinking on the matter.
- I refuse to accept any apology you may offer unless I am compensated for the indignity I have suffered. I demand you pay me three camels, several goats, and a dancing girl or two to assuage my anger.
- I refuse to accept not only any apology you may offer but also any compensation you may offer as well. I demand a duel, with drawn knives,somewhere in the desert outside of San Diego. May the person most beloved of God win!
- Nothing you may say or do will satisfy me. I demand divine retribution! I curse you and your family and all your offspring to the 40th generation.
Quite frankly, you have no idea of what my intentions are or of what I have tried to say concerning the reception of communion on the tongue or in the hand. I doubt that you read anything I wrote beyond the first sentence. I admit my description of receiving communion on the tongue as resembling the feeding of birds was careless and I apologized for any offense I have caused, but I do not apologize for having opinions that may be different from yours. If that is a problem for you, well, there isn’t much I can do about that. Of course, you could always pray that I will be enlightened and will, from now on, check with you before offering any opinion of my own. Since I regularly receive communion in the hand I’m sure you will feel me in need of all the prayers I can get.
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benedictgal
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Due to some medications that I am taking, I woke up at 3AM to catch the broadcast of the Papal Mass for the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul. Granted, I missed the remarks of His Sanctity, the Patriarch of Constantinople, but, I got to see most of the Mass.
Right before Communion, the commentators from Vatican Radio informed the viewing and listening audience that the Holy Father has made it a requirement that communicants receiving from him should do so kneeling and on the tongue. The Genetlemen of HIs Holiness placed the kneeler and the distribution of Holy Communion flowed rather well. There was a deep sense of reverence among the faithful and it was quite a sight to see.
I wonder how this will play out for World Youth Day.
Right before Communion, the commentators from Vatican Radio informed the viewing and listening audience that the Holy Father has made it a requirement that communicants receiving from him should do so kneeling and on the tongue. The Genetlemen of HIs Holiness placed the kneeler and the distribution of Holy Communion flowed rather well. There was a deep sense of reverence among the faithful and it was quite a sight to see.
I wonder how this will play out for World Youth Day.
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Bruno_Schulz
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** As this is so:
“the Holy Father has made it a requirement that communicants receiving from him should do so kneeling and on the tongue” let’s hope we’ll get back to this respectful way. I don’t know how it’s commonly handled in the USA. Here in Germany it is such, that the very large majority asks standing up and on their hands for the Holy Communion. A small daring minority - if at all any - kneel and have it in the mouth **
“the Holy Father has made it a requirement that communicants receiving from him should do so kneeling and on the tongue” let’s hope we’ll get back to this respectful way. I don’t know how it’s commonly handled in the USA. Here in Germany it is such, that the very large majority asks standing up and on their hands for the Holy Communion. A small daring minority - if at all any - kneel and have it in the mouth **
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Eilish_Maura
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The underlined comment makes no sense.
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brigid12
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Me, too! It was an unexpected pleasure - one for which I didn’t mind waking at all. I wonder if our Guardian Angels weren’t so pleased that they woke us for Joy?
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Brownginger
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Why is it that Jesus is seen to be feeding us more when we receive on the tongue? He equally feeds us when He places Himself in our hand. I would think it would be more important to receive the Eucharist directly from the priest-celebrant than in what manner the Eucharist is received (hand vs. tongue). Then we have a much closer relationship with Jesus at that Mass than if we were to receive from anyone else.
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japhy
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But honestly, I agree. I think Msgr. Marini was trying (and I guess failing) not to make one form of reception seem better-suited to Eucharistic theology than the other.
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Michael_Welter
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The Church, the Bride of Christ, has stated ever so clearly that Communion is the hand is allowed. Are you saying the Bide of Christ is insane for allowing Communion in the hand?Oh if only the entire Church could end the insanity of communion in the hand! Well, at least this is a start.
Mother Teresa is pleased!
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Lepanto
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I just re-read my post. No, I did not say that the Church is insane.
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japhy
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Communion in the hand in the early Church may have been done with reverence (although it was done in a different manner), but bizarre practices and abuses crept in then too, with people kissing the Host, touching the Host (and even the Precious Blood) to their sensory organs. So the Holy Spirit guided the Church to a better way.
Communion in the hand is not “insanity”, per se, but it has given way to far too much abuse. There’s a fair number of Catholics who think the decision to allow it again was imprudent. The only way to have permission was for the practice to ALREADY (ILLEGALLY) be committed, and then have the bishops vote on petitioning for an indult (permission) rather than put a stop to the illegal activity.
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Michael_Welter
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Again, the Church allows Communion to be recieved on the tongue, or in the hand. Both methods are licit. So we can accept them both as licit, or we have to believe that Christ is no longer protecting His Church from error. The fact that some people recieve irreverently is an issue of education, not method. In my parish, it has been taught STRONGLY lately how to recieve reverently, either on the tongue or in the hand.
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benedictgal
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This is what Redemptionis Sacramentum says regarding the reception of Holy Communion in the hand:
Therefore, if there is a danger of the profanation of the Body of Christ, then the default method of receiving Holy Communion is on the tongue.
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japhy
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Not everywhere! You can only receive in the hand in dioceses to which the Church has given that permission, and where the bishop decides to allow that permission.
You may receive on the tongue ANYWHERE. Although there are parishes that try to prevent people from doing so…
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Michael_Welter
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Excellent point. In my parish, our priests and EMHCs are very careful not to let anyone walk away without consuming. They’ll chase a person down if they have to.
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