Pope reacts to 'rigid' critics [CWN]

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JimG said:
With respect to Amoris Laetitia, here is yet another analysis, in so far as AL attempts to resolve moral dilemmas by considering which is the lesser of two evils:

Does Amoris Laetita Resolve Genuine Moral Dilemmas?
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Sorry, the link wasn’t working for me. :o
 
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Convert_in_99 said:
Pope Francis issued a church document (doctrine?), these 4 Cardinals are questioning his teachings as being immoral. I see that as going against the Pope. I take it you don’t. To each their own I guesss. 🤷
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Here is a quote from Bishop Athanasius Schneider:

"The Four Cardinals with their prophetic voice demanding doctrinal and pastoral clarity have a great merit before their own conscience, before history, and before the innumerable simple faithful Catholics of our days, who are driven to the ecclesiastical periphery, because of their fidelity to Christ’s teaching about the indissolubility of marriage"
 
Chipper said:
Here is a quote from Bishop Athanasius Schneider:

"The Four Cardinals with their prophetic voice demanding doctrinal and pastoral clarity have a great merit before their own conscience, before history, and before the innumerable simple faithful Catholics of our days, who are driven to the ecclesiastical periphery, because of their fidelity to Christ’s teaching about the indissolubility of marriage"
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I’m not surprised to see this, but I’m still with the Pope here. :yup:
 
I don’t think you need to be a subject matter expert to see problems with the way this was approached. The questions themselves are completely reasonable. However the letter doesn’t ask just ask the questions straight up.

If your kid asks, “Are you saying I am allowed to borrow the car?” That is respectful, and should be answered. If he gathers his siblings around as an audience and asks, “when you said that I could at some point drive to the store, were you in fact saying that Mom, who once said I am not allowed to drive her car was wrong, and that my brothers and i no longer need to regard her instructions as binding?” that would be highly disrespectful and merit a a rebuke rather than an answer.
 
JimG said:
With respect to Amoris Laetitia, here is yet another analysis, in so far as AL attempts to resolve moral dilemmas by considering which is the lesser of two evils:

crisismagazine.com/2016/moral-dilemmas-justify-amoris-laetitia
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Interesting article. I agree with its author that there are no circumstances in which adultery is the right choice. A ‘lesser evil’ remains plainly and simply an evil.

This is not to say the author’s analysis of AL is correct. I don’t know. It is complex.
 
No, these are that poster’s personal interpretation of the document.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
We should wait to publicly discuss this when this whole “fiasco” is settled. Not before.
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Will you please clarify two things?

First, it has been reported that Pope Francis will not respond to the various requests for clarity from the media, prelates and theologians around the world, including the plea from Cardinal Burke et al. (which is why it finally went public). So, what are you saying we should wait for to settle the matter?

Second, somewhere above you said, "We need not discuss this at all, especially considering we haven’t even received the official document publicly. What official document?
 
KSU said:
Will you please clarify two things?

First, it has been reported that Pope Francis will not respond to the various requests for clarity from the media, prelates and theologians around the world, including the plea from Cardinal Burke et al. (which is why it finally went public). So, what are you saying we should wait for to settle the matter?

Second, somewhere above you said, "We need not discuss this at all, especially considering we haven’t even received the official document publicly. What official document?
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  1. Well it has been settled now. They are “out of office” so to speak.
  2. Has the laity received a copy of AL? I thought not, but maybe I am wrong on that.
 
PPeterson said:
I don’t think you need to be a subject matter expert to see problems with the way this was approached. The questions themselves are completely reasonable. However the letter doesn’t ask just ask the questions straight up.

If your kid asks, “Are you saying I am allowed to borrow the car?” That is respectful, and should be answered. If he gathers his siblings around as an audience and asks, “when you said that I could at some point drive to the store, were you in fact saying that Mom, who once said I am not allowed to drive her car was wrong, and that my brothers and i no longer need to regard her instructions as binding?” that would be highly disrespectful and merit a a rebuke rather than an answer.
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I think you missed a point here. They sent the letter to the Pope, first in private without answer for months. Since the Pope refused to answer them in private, well sir they went public. What else can they do?

But to no avail, the Pope still refuses to answer them.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
  1. Well it has been settled now. They are “out of office” so to speak.
  2. Has the laity received a copy of AL? I thought not, but maybe I am wrong on that.
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Oh my goodness. He is still a Cardinal.

Let’s see, Cardinals asks questions: Cardinal gets called a “Witless Worm”, then called a “Legalist”, then kicked out of office: And that somehow settles all the questions???
:eek:

And AL Has been available on the vatican website for a long time now.
 
I don’t know, I would have to read it in context within the actual document Amoris laetitia before making my judgment.

And even if it was worst case scenario, I would stay with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, she has been through rough times before I believe. There is no where else I could go.

I’ll pray for our Holy Father.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Chipper said:
Oh my goodness. He is still a Cardinal.

Let’s see, Cardinals asks questions: Cardinal gets called a “Witless Worm”, then called a “Legalist”, then kicked out of office: And that somehow settles all the questions???
:eek:

And AL Has been available on the vatican website for a long time now.
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Okay. I’m confused as to what “removed from the congregation of Divine Liturgy” entails then.

OK then so why all the fuss just NOW??? Why not fuss about it a few years ago? 🤷
 
Chipper said:
No it’s not just personal opinion - look at the link I provided The other poster.
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Hi Chipper

Is there a link you could provide us please to the Vatican website or something that contains the full text of Amoris laetitia?

Thank you Chipper.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
It has shattered me too. But remember, these guys are still humans. We still have the church - “The church is the pillar and foundation of truth” - Thessolonians. It doesn’t say that the Pope is the pillar and foundation of truth. St. Peter made big mistakes too. St Paul corrected him to “his face”.

The church is not composed of just one guy.
 
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