Pope: Rescinding DACA is not 'pro-life'

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DACA is not legal. It would be legal if passed by Congress. Trump simply punted this over to Congress for them to address.
 
Not only that, I don’t recall Pope Francis calling out President Obama for his extreme pro-abortion positions. But as to the matter in the article about Pope Francis calling out whether Trump is truly pro-life because he ended DACA and calls on Congress to act, let me get this straight regarding “being pro-life”…
  • Trump appoints pro-life judge to the Supreme Court
  • Trump appoints a number of pro-life judges to the lower courts
  • Trump has defunded the pro-abortion UN Population Fund
  • Trump reinstated the Mexico City Policy
  • Trump has assigned to the HHS people with pro-life positions
However,
  • Pope Francis praised pro-abortionists, Emma Bonino, as one of Italy’s “lost greats”
  • Pope Francis has hosted a number of population control pro-abortion and eugenics advocates at the Vatican to address population control topics at conferences
  • Pope Francis gutted the Pontifical Academy for Life and appointed a pro-abortion theologian to the academy
Now, I don’t doubt that the Holy Father is pro-life, but his statements regarding Trump seem a bit hypocritical.
 
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  1. CNN is garbage to me, so I disregard anything they say or claim to have been said.
  2. If the Pope did say this, then the calling out of those like Clinton and the UN over their active abortion stances on mass is deafening!
When there is so much heresy among Catholics, the Pope should be focusing on getting his own house in order, then the rest of the world would improve automatically. But I suspect Pope Francis is currently part of the problem and until the Church can correct her ways, then heresy will only increase and society will only spiral further and further downhill.

So all I guess I can really do is pray for the Pope and the Church.

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The issue here is, Pope Bergoglio didn’t single out Obama for any public comments of criticism regarding, say, abortion.

He has targeted Trump more than once.

That’s simply hypocritical and unfair.
 
The courts determining constitutionality is itself an unconstitutional role. Even so while their opinion may hold legal weight they aren’t always right nor do they take on every case. DACA is clearly unconstitutional. To be fair so are most things the state, and especially the president, do.
 
So you don’t buy the Madison v Marbury. Then understand that the bishops might arguably hold more to the rule of law than you do, which is more than just a strict constitutionalism.
 
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This is a very narrow comparison. The Pope has spoken publically against abortion, privately to the President about abortion and given him a copy of Evangelii Gaudium publically. You compare Pope Francis (his name, by the way) actions in the specific with the vague “targeted Trump.” You accuse him of being hypocritical and unfair using what sure seems to be an unfair comparison.

On a general note, I grow weary of the general level of disrespect toward the Holy Father. I am not speaking of you in particular but of a general decline I have noticed here. Let me offer a bit of wisdom that Pope Francis possesses that is lacking here. One does not evangelize by being offensive. I would hardly insult someone’s mother or father as a preamble to apologetics. Surely we can have discussion without offense.
 
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So you don’t buy the Madison v Marbury. Then understand that the bishops might arguably hold more to the rule of law than you do, which is more than just a strict constitutionalism.
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No. That was a usurpation. The courts are not the sole arbiter of constitutionality by the constitution.

I wouldn’t limit the rule of law to matters of US constitutionality. But again, the courts aren’t the sole arbiters of constitutionality. To unconstitutionally grab that power is not holding to the rule of law even if it is de facto law for two hundred years.
 
On a general note, I grow weary of the general level of disrespect the Holy Father shows to faithful Catholics. Pope Francis has no problem with name-calling and being offensive to those who hold (or uphold) orthodox positions regarding Church teaching. He continually preaches against rigidity, yet governs autocratically with no toleration for dissent from his personal views. He invites dialogue, but then refuses to actually engage in discourse with those with whom he disagrees. It is one thing to claim that LifeSite news is baiting conservatives, but quite another to look at the evidence on the ground. Solidly orthodox Cardinals and bishops being ignored, passed over, removed from positions, etc. all the while, those who have openly challenged Church teaching (and are on record doing so) are praised, consulted, appointed prominent positions, etc. And this is not occasional, but rather a demonstrable trend.
 
Pope Bergoglio (there is nothing rude about the label) regularly insults Catholics. And he has singled out Trump for criticism, while never criticizing Obama in the same way.
 
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Do you disagree with the Pope?
Pope Francis says DACA repeal not “pro-life” and refutes climate change deniers | America Magazine
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It is reported that the Pope said something to the effect:
Responding to a question about the negative effects of the suspension of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program in the United States, Pope Francis said that since the president presents himself as pro-life, then he should also be pro-family and not do anything that would be detrimental to the family.
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As I mentioned earlier, it is a tactic of the pro-abortion people and others to mix other issues in with Pro-Life and abortion. Doing this muddies the waters concerning the central issue that is above all other issues – abortion. Nothing is equal to this, not euthanasia, not assisted suicide, not the death penalty, not global warming, not DACA.

Previous Popes, I think St. John Paul specifically (but I would have to check), have specifically affirmed this.

Thus, yes, I disagree with Pope Francis in suggesting that DACA is a pro-life issue. I do not suggest that the Pope is deliberately or knowingly using the tactics our enemies use. I would suggest that Pope Francis has a well healed reputation for careless thinking and even more careless speaking and ambiguity. A thoughtful theologian he is not.

This subject is not something to which we are required to agree with the Pope.
 
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I heard today what I consider to be the most equitable proposal re the issue of DACA
These individuals who, through no fault of their own brought here as children , should be given permanent legal status but not citizenship. Their parents deported can then get in line and enter the country legally. No amnesty no allowing relatives coming in etc. . Otherwise we are just encouraging and perpetuating the issue of illegal immigration:
 
My parish had a bulletin insert about DACA. The diocese is setting up workshops for the purpose of helping people currently under DACA in various ways.
 
The United States already admits about one million people per year LEGALLY.

They have to fill out forms and get police and medical reports and go through a lot of rigamarole and spend years going through the process.
 
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Communist Pope sticking his nose in again. He doesn’t even call out pro Abortion or Gay Marriage politicians.

Whos surprised? He’s destroying the Church and revelling in doing so.
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I disagree with the Pope’s policies. His fallible statements on various issues certainly have an uncomfortable trend towards Liberation Theology/Marxism. To accuse him of deliberately destroying the Church however goes against Christ’s promise that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church, no?
 
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To accuse him of deliberately destroying the Church however goes against Christ’s promise that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against his Church, no?
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I don’t think for a minute the Holy Father is deliberately destroying the Church. But even if he was I don’t think that would go against Christ’s promise. Folks will try to destroy the Church. Some of those folks may well be within it. They just won’t succeed. Judas was one of the twelve. A modern Judas could be just as close.
 
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