Pope says Christians can work with atheists [CNAU]

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Some Catholic teachings apply to those within the institutional Catholic Church.

For example, it is a grave sin to skip Mass on Sunday without a good reason. To knowingly and willingly do so puts one in the state of mortal sin. However, this regulation applies only to Catholics – not those outside the Church.

Likewise, for Catholics the two means of having mortal sin forgiven are the sacrament of Confession or Perfect Contrition (which includes the intent to go to Confession at the first opportunity). (CCC #1452 vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P4D.HTM#29 )
One needs to be a Catholic to receive this Sacrament. Since neither of the 2 means are applicable to non-Catholics, and since the Church teaches that it is possible for non-Catholics to be saved, it must be presumed that God has other means of bestowing His sanctifying grace on those not fortunate enough to belong to the Catholic Church.
A correction to my statement that “One needs to be a Catholic to receive this Sacrament”. The Church does allow for the possibility of administering it to non-Catholics.Code of Canon Law
vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2T.HTM

Can. 844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and ⇒ can. 861, §2.

…(paragraphs 2 & 3 relate to religions with valid priesthood, eg Orthodox)

§4. If **the danger of death is present **or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.
 
For any who haven’t read the “text” of Pope Francis’ talk, here is a link.
en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundation_of_peace/en1-694445
I think it was a great sermon.

Pope Benedict – in 1964, many years prior to being Pope – also addressed this issue. It’s short and very interesting. I found the closing paragraph especially thought provoking for us Catholics – a trap we have to be careful not to fall into.
firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/05/23/pope-francis-atheists-heaven/


… It seems as if we want to be rewarded, not just with our own salvation, but most especially with other people’s damnation—just like the workers hired in the first hour. That is very human, but the Lord’s parable is particularly meant to make us quite aware of how profoundly un-Christian it is at the same time. Anyone who looks on the loss of salvation for others as the condition, as it were, on which he serves Christ will in the end only be able to turn away grumbling, because that kind of reward is contrary to the loving-kindness of God.
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Whether he meant this or not, a simple google search on Pope Francis’ recent homily on doing good regardless of belief because we are all redeemed has generated much buzz. I have watched videos and seen headlines saying things like “atheists are okay according to the Pope” I heard one person say that these comments aren’t good for the business of promoting Catholicism. Another said, “what does it matter what I believe if we all go to heaven if we are good?” Personally I interpreted the Holy Father’s comments to mean that doing good gives us some common ground to dialog and that Christ died for the whole world even atheists. But I will say some of his comments made me nervous as I am starting RCIA this fall and have become convinced of the truth and importance of being Catholic. Many have interpreted this as - what does it matter - just be good. I love Pope Francis and pray for him. I was just wondering how others interpreted his homily
Come on over … your move will spur others to do the same. Before long, the Church will be ONE again.
 
I’ll pass on a portion of this message from a very knowledgeable buddy of mine who is a religious.

Pope Francis was talking about the necessity of doing good. He supported his point in a very typical Jesuit manner, with three ideas. That’s how Jesuit pedagogy works. You pick a point and then you support it using a tripod. It may never be four or two. He chose to say that **man must do that which is good **

because:

a) He is created in the image and likeness of God

b) He is a child of God

c) He has been redeemed by the blood of Christ

This includes people of all faiths and no faith, even atheists.

The secular press runs with the story, “Pope says atheists are going to heaven”

The pope never said that. He never said they were not going to heaven either. The Church does not have the power to predict who is and who is not going to heaven. We can only tell you who is in heaven (Catholicism 101) and how to get there if you want to join them (Catholicism 102).

The media often fails to understand, because the reporters themselves are clueless or the reporter wants to sell a story. Whichever the case, the media’s reporting cannot be relied on if you want to be able to pay your electric bill. You may end up in the dark (Journalism 101).

So what do we do now?

Gee . . . what if we read the pope’s sermon. It’s all over the Internet.

OK, read the sermon and he does say that everyone is redeemed. But he failed to mention that there is a difference between redemption and salvation.

Question . . . Was salvation the subject of the sermon?

No . . . But he should have clarified it?

Is it possible that he has already spoken about how one achieves salvation or that the subject may come up in another sermon?

By the way, while we’re discussing the sermon, what was the sermon about?

Answer . . . 🤷

Another question . . . you do realize that this pope is a religious, not a diocesan priest? Priests formed in religious communities will bring the spirituality, focus, agenda, and systems of their communities to the pulpit. They can’t help it. To ask a Jesuit not to use Ignatian pedagogy is like asking President Obama for his birth certificate. Good luck with both.

Ohhh . . . you don’t know about Ignatian pedagogy.

Let’s ask an easier question. Is what the pope said affecting your life of prayer? . . . your relationship with your family? . . . maybe the moral choices that you make? . . . what about your apostolic activity in the community? . . . or the Catholic teaching that you give your children?

If the answer to all the above is “No,” why are you on Xanax?

Oh, you’re concerned about all those people out there who will misunderstand. That’s important. I understand that. My guess is that you must never sleep well or eat properly, because even when the pope simply says 2 + 2 still = 4, someone is going to misunderstand and someone else is going to say that he said five. Maybe the pope should keep his mouth shut so that you can get off the Xanax, recover your appetite and get past the insomnia caused by your worrying.

Since you can’t get the pope to shut up, maybe you can pray that God places guides in the path of those who are searching for Truth, since you can’t be there to guide everyone and neither can the pope, by the way.

You don’t want do that? Ok, well you’re due for a refill on your Xanax.

I can’t come up with another answer for those who lose sleep over things like this. The media will say what it wants to say. The pope can be as clear as a diamond and someone is going to misquote him. If we develop anxiety over every episode that happens, the only way to function will be with medication. I don’t know of any good spiritual director, catechist, confessor, apologist or theologian who can get you out of your anxiety mode.
 
Whether he meant this or not, a simple google search on Pope Francis’ recent homily on doing good regardless of belief because we are all redeemed has generated much buzz. I have watched videos and seen headlines saying things like “atheists are okay according to the Pope” I heard one person say that these comments aren’t good for the business of promoting Catholicism. Another said, “what does it matter what I believe if we all go to heaven if we are good?” Personally I interpreted the Holy Father’s comments to mean that doing good gives us some common ground to dialog and that Christ died for the whole world even atheists. But I will say some of his comments made me nervous as I am starting RCIA this fall and have become convinced of the truth and importance of being Catholic. Many have interpreted this as - what does it matter - just be good. I love Pope Francis and pray for him. I was just wondering how others interpreted his homily.
We are called not to be human but to be SUPER human.

I knew an atheist man who asked me to advocate for him in my workplace. This I did and he got a job. Once employed, he persecuted me into the ground. He spoke all manner of culmny and detraction about me, spread the most horrendous lies, and did all in his power to damage my reptuation but I refused to stop loving him. Every time I saw him, I was very friendly towards him. Unbeknown to me, others saw my witness and praised the God I served for my patience love and perseverence. Eventually he came round.

We will never agree on certain fundamentals [he is a fervant supporter of abortion, particularly of the disabled], openly supports access to pornography and supports governments right to torture. Staunch supporter of ‘fittest survive’.

He showed himself up for what his atheistic beliefs are. By contast, my simple beliefs and faith, showed themselves up for what they were. My willingness to be gentle, non-agressive and peaceful won the day. Yes, we must work with athiests, they are the best amplifying God’s presence in peoples lives… Without them we would achieve much less.
 
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