Pope says no religion immune from fundamentalism

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ANSA) - Vatican City, September 14 - Pope Francis warned Monday that no religion could consider itself safe from fundamentalist elements. “No religion is immune from its own fundamentalism, every confession has a group of fundamentalists, whose job is to destroy in the name of an idea, not reality,” Francis told Buenos Aires FM Mileniium 106.7, an Argentine protestant radio station. “Fundamentalists distance God from the company of His people, they transform him into an ideology. In the name of this ideology, they kill, destroy and defame”. ansa.it/english/news/2015/09/14/pope-says-no-religion-immune-from-fundamentalism_1d942913-b6cd-4a61-9eaa-12387b1c3d67.html
Really? I wonder whom he would think in the Christian religion are out seeking to destroy due to “Fundamentalism”…

Reminds me of when Obama made the moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam.
 
Tbrightson said:
Really? I wonder whom he would think in the Christian religion are out seeking to destroy due to “Fundamentalism”…

Reminds me of when Obama made the moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam.
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You do not think Christian fundamentalism exists?

Fundamentalism is incompatible with Catholicism.
 
clem456 said:
You do not think Christian fundamentalism exists?

Fundamentalism is incompatible with Catholicism.
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No, I did not say that. Read what I posted again. But in case you still cannot comprehend, I disagree with the Popes assertion that there are Christian Fundamentalist groups that “Kill, destroy and defame”

Can you name one?
 
Tbrightson said:
No, I did not say that. Read what I posted again. But in case you still cannot comprehend, I disagree with the Popes assertion that there are Christian Fundamentalist groups that “Kill, destroy and defame”

Can you name one?
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You can’t be serious. There are many. Westboro Baptists for starters.

I’m not sure what your are disputing. First you say the Pope is observing groups that aren’t there, then you disagree with me whether they do exist or don’t exist.
Call me confused. Not sure what your point is.
 
clem456 said:
You can’t be serious. There are many. Westboro Baptists for starters.
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As far as I know, the Westboro Baptists, while holding and expressing loathsome views, have not so much as violated a traffic law. At best you could argue they “defame” others, but they do not kill nor destroy.
 
And before we go off the deep end, here is a quote in context:

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/09/14/pope_francis_laments_false_friendship,_fundamentalism/1171632
“No religion is immune from its own fundamentalisms. In any confession there will be a small group of fundamentalists, whose work is to destroy in the interests of an idea, not of a reality. Reality is superior to an idea. God, whether in Judaism, in Christianity, or in Islam, in the faith of those three peoples, accompanies God’s people with His presence. In the Bible we see it, Muslims in the Koran. Our God is a God of nearness, which accompanies. Fundamentalists push God away from the companionship of His people; they dis-Incarnate Him, they transform Him into an ideology. Therefore, in the name of this ideological God, they kill, attack, destroy, and calumniate. Practically, they transform this God into a Baal, into an idol,” Pope Francis said.
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Francis is hardly the first Pope to lament fundamentalism. Catholicism is not immune to it.
 
zz912 said:
As far as I know, the Westboro Baptists, while holding and expressing loathsome views, have not so much as violated a traffic law. At best you could argue they “defame” others, but they do not kill nor destroy.
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If one reads most examination of conscience documents…physically taking one’s life is not the only way that one can “kill”.
One can kill the work of the Holy Spirit and kill the spirit of others.
 
This is an obvious truth. Many people have more fully formed ideas about God than they have nearness to God. Many people love their Church more than God and tend to equate the two as if they were the same thing. In my experience there is a spiritual blindness present when this kind of fundamentalism exists and the blindness is proportionate to the fundamentalism.

The Pope is obviously just trying to make people aware of this, help people to see it within themselves, and help those who experience the fallout from it to see clearly the falsity of it.
 
I agree with the Pope. There are some Catholics that are fundamentalists. Many may not be in the sense that we normally define fundamentalism, but they are a version of it none the less. I actually saw a posting on the Catholic Answers front page with the headline stating that Kim Davis is a “Hero,” which she definitely isn’t (Catholic Bishop on Relevant Radio can back me that she’s not a hero lol). Catholics that believe that she is are, in my opinion, fundamentalists or just short of being that. I’ve also heard on the radio that the Pope’s popularity in the USA has dropped to 40 something percent in recent months due to his “liberal” proclamations, etc. While I believe that politics are influencing both cases, that is still related to fundamentalism I’m sure.
 
clem456 said:
You do not think Christian fundamentalism exists?

Fundamentalism is incompatible with Catholicism.
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I used to know lots of fundamentallist catholics. They didnt go around lopping off peoples head. They didnt beat people up in the streets when they walked pass the church. They didnt throw food away that was given in charity. They didnt demand that dogs be banned.
 
clem456 said:
You can’t be serious. There are many. Westboro Baptists for starters.

I’m not sure what your are disputing. First you say the Pope is observing groups that aren’t there, then you disagree with me whether they do exist or don’t exist.
Call me confused. Not sure what your point is.
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I have not heard of any westboro baptrist killing people, have you? You would think it would be in the news.
 
Hmmmm…maybe it wasn’t part of fundamentalism, but Catholics definitely are capable of those types of atrocities. Have you ever read the history of the Natives in the “New World” and their forced conversion of many to Catholicism by the Spanish? Beheadings, dismemberments, hangings, brandings, beatings, lashings, burning at the stake, rape, being killed by dogs, etc. Very brutal stuff I tell you.
 
pianistclare said:
If one reads most examination of conscience documents…physically taking one’s life is not the only way that one can “kill”.
One can kill the work of the Holy Spirit and kill the spirit of others.
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But when my head is chopped off, after about three days I will start to smell bad, but if someone calls me a name, three days later I just may feel bad…
 
iohannes13 said:
Hmmmm…maybe it wasn’t part of fundamentalism, but Catholics definitely are capable of those types of atrocities. Have you ever read the history of the Natives in the “New World” and their forced conversion of many to Catholicism by the Spanish? Beheadings, dismemberments, hangings, brandings, beatings, lashings, burning at the stake, rape, being killed by dogs, etc. Very brutal stuff I tell you.
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So you have to go back hundreds of years to prove there are Catholic fundamentalist?
 
Where are all the news stories of Catholics doing all those things?
 
philipl said:
So you have to go back hundreds of years to prove there are Catholic fundamentalist?
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Philipl, That Christians are not commiting those types of crimes today does not mean that it cannot happen tomorrow. It has happened in the past, and as JhareekCarnelian has pointed out, it has happened more recently (less than 100 years). My bet is that it will happen again.
 
And yet you cant show proof of them. Where are the news stories? Where those who did it punished?
 
philipl said:
Where are all the news stories of Catholics doing all those things?
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Christians who refer to other Christians and their fellow man as ‘heretics’ are no different from those who regard their fellow man as ‘infidels’ as a reason for their violent behaviour. And I’ve seen Catholics even on this board refer to others as heretics and their posts as heresies.
 
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