Pope Says There is Only One True Church

[estesbob]

Nope. According to Fr. Hopko.

ancientfaithradio.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/

So, the EO faith is the true church established by Christ on the confession of Peter. He notes the RC Church has mechanical succession (I guess as do the Anglicans) but since they do not have the Apostolic faith and have added to it (eg Papal doctinres), they are not the “True Church” (the one Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church).

I enjoyed hearing it. I imagine them is fighting words Hey…I guess you RC’s are in the same boat as us Anglicans.

Time to do an iron man marathon… swim across the Tiber, hike and then swim the Bosphorus. To be deep in hisotry is to be Orthodox???

Rev North

Only if one believes Fr Hopko.

 

[estesbob]

Here’s the point. The headlines read, “Pope says there is only one true church”. So if, in logic, the church has not changed in 2000 years, as some have posted here and in other threads, why the additions?

Welll we start wit the fact the list is bogus, But then we go to the iist and see it has nothing whatsoever to do with faith and morals. I suspect you have not a clue what the infallibily of the Magestium is all about. if so you wouldnt be embarassing youself by fretting over how many items a week Mass was celebrated

 

[Salamander]

No, he was more of a radical/revolutionary (a peaceful one, of course).

If you look at how the Catholic Church is being attacked for her unchanging teachings on issues of morality, it seems that the Church’s stances are being seen as more radical all the time by the world and many non-Catholic Christians. That would make sense, given her Founder.

I see your point.

 

[Antwill]

I see your point.

I’m glad you’ve come around.

 

[Salamander]

Welll we start wit the fact the list is bogus, But then we go to the iist and see it has nothing whatsoever to do with faith and morals. I suspect you have not a clue what the infallibily of the Magestium is all about. if so you wouldnt be embarassing youself by fretting over how many items a week Mass was celebrated

I’m not going to fret. I just assumed since the Pope said it was infallible that it hadn’t changed since Pentacost. DOINK! (My hand hitting my head!) “I could have had a V8”. Vatican 8, anyone? Anyone?

 

[estesbob]

I’m not going to fret. I just assumed since the Pope said it was infallible that it hadn’t changed since Pentacost. DOINK! (My hand hitting my head!) “I could have had a V8”. Vatican 8, anyone? Anyone?

I hasnt changed since Jesus founded his Church. We had a fascinationg thread one time as to when the Catholic Church did start-IIRC Pentacost was the most common answer

 

[mjgarbo]

Mark 9:38-41

38John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.”
39But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.
40"For he who is not against us is for us.
41"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.

How do you reconcile these words of Christ with the Pope’s statement?

 

[sadie2723]

Mark 9:38-41

38John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.”
39But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.
40"For he who is not against us is for us.
41"For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.

How do you reconcile these words of Christ with the Pope’s statement?

Well, for one, they have nothing whatsoever to do with a Church. For another, Jesus is clearly saying that those outside of his teaching are capable of good, but that is not to say that they are followers of Christ. You see, there is a great deal of difference between simply doing good and following Christ. My brother in law is an atheist. He does a great deal of good in the community which I am quite sure God would approve of. Still, he refuses to follow or even acknowledge Christ. This is much like the scenario that the scripture you quoted paints. In this case Christ tells his disciples not to punish a person outside the faith that is doing good, but notice that Christ does not indicate that that same person was a follower of his teaching…rather simply that the disciples should do nothing to stop his good works.

 

[Hellisreal]

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Rev North

How are we Catholics in the same boat?

Are we ordaining women now?

With permission? I refer to the Reverend’s post and ask him.

 

[RevDrNorth]

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Rev North

Well…apparently in Europe some Bishop did ordain female Priests

Let me state that I am not sure they were RC Bishops as the National News did not say just that it was done in secret. Also,
my joke about you being in the same boat was…a joke

It was however funny after comments about the Anglican Church to see EO making statements about the RC church in a similiar though NOT identical vein.

Again, it was humor. Besides, how could you be in the same boat when we would be in first class with all of the well educated Christians concerned about our stewardship of the environmental gift God gave us and using our reason. ALSO…just a joke made in relation to a twisting of Bishop Schori’s comments.

All of this religious infighting is fascinating.

Rev North

 

[BrandenRush]

Well, I gotta hand it to the Pope. I like the hard line stance that he is taking on tradition of late, and that is no secret if you read my posts. Today, the Pope and I agree more than ever. In a recent document that was released, the Pope gets down to serious business of affirming that there is only ONE Christian Church out there, and it is the Catholic Church. You can read about it here.

I say, “Way to Go!” I think that it is time to assert that there ARE differences between the so called churches out there, and I like the Pope’s idea that we all need to come together under one proper banner of true teaching. After all, with the upswing in the Muslim population, and their continued unfettered onslaught against Christians world wide, it think that the protestants and other faiths outside the Pope’s teaching would do well to unify under one banner. This, my friends, is going to be the secret to survival in the coming troubled time with Islam.

Now please do me the service of not going off on me about that politically driven “Religion of Peace” stuff…I am not buying. What I want to discuss here are the comments of the Pope and what we can do to make protestants see the light of things.

Cheers!

It’s very simple, your pope is wrong.

 

[mjgarbo]

Your analogy about atheists and “do gooders” is not valid. Christ states that the good be done in His name.

 

[Hellisreal]

I need to think about this tonight.

Thank you Rev Dr North for being here.

I am a huge fan of a Priest that is in an Anglican Use parish.

Thank you for your thoughts- as different as they may be from mine-I welcome them!

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RevDrNorth:
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Well…apparently in Europe some Bishop did ordain female Priests

Let me state that I am not sure they were RC Bishops as the National News did not say just that it was done in secret. Also,
my joke about you being in the same boat was…a joke

It was however funny after comments about the Anglican Church to see EO making statements about the RC church in a similiar though NOT identical vein.

Again, it was humor. Besides, how could you be in the same boat when we would be in first class with all of the well educated Christians concerned about our stewardship of the environmental gift God gave us and using our reason. ALSO…just a joke made in relation to a twisting of Bishop Schori’s comments.

All of this religious infighting is fascinating.

Rev North

 

[RevDrNorth]

I need to think about this tonight.

Thank you Rev Dr North for being here.

I am a huge fan of a Priest that is in an Anglican Use parish.

Thank you for your thoughts- as different as they may be from mine-I welcome them!

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I enjoy your posts as well. We all learn something from one another (even if at times all it is .is patience).

Good night and may God bless you with a restful sleep
(Even if Anglicans cannot actually give a blessing because we do not possess valid succession

Rev North

 

[Mark_Marilyn]

It’s very simple, your pope is wrong.

Yes, indeed! And he seems to be showing the wrong ATTITUDE as well. I do not see what being negative, condescending and disparaging toward other faiths is going to accomplish…?
cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/10/pope.churches.reut/index.html

“The Church is not backtracking on ecumenical commitment,” Di Noia told Vatican radio."

Well, it certainly does appear that the Church (the one and only?) is “backtracking on ecumenical commitment.”
We personally know some splendid, exemplary people who belong to other faiths: Lutheran, Anglican, United,… and we can assure you they are quite sincere in their friendship with God, their prayers and their guidance in good faith. To disparage these good friends as “inferior” or “defective” or “not true churches nor believers,” really reflects poorly on the unjust critic himself. It is as if someone were “inventing new sins” so as to sling the proverbial mud at his neighbors. Such an attitude is ethnocentric, unproductive, and breeds intolerance. It even risks encouraging antipathy and is unlikely to get a very positive response for constructive dialogue. Seriously, I was under the impression that the goal was for more peace and understanding, was it not?
“If people would listen, we would have peace.” --Dr. Fritz Perls

 

[Hellisreal]

RevDrNorth:
I enjoy your posts as well. We all learn something from one another (even if at times all it is .is patience).

Good night and may God bless you with a restful sleep
(Even if Anglicans **cannot actually give a blessing **because we do not possess valid succession

Rev North

Yes, you can give a blessing.

Thank you for it BTW!

But, from MY understanding, your blessing confers no actual grace.

I wish this was not the case.

I dont make the rules, I simply try my best to follow them, and fail of course- but try to know and follow them.

as we all try.

 

[Harpazo]

Yes, indeed! And he seems to be showing the wrong ATTITUDE as well. I do not see what being negative, condescending and disparaging toward other faiths is going to accomplish…?
cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/10/pope.churches.reut/index.html
Well, it certainly does appear that the Church (the one and only?) is “backtracking on ecumenical commitment.”
We personally know some splendid, exemplary people who belong to other faiths: Lutheran, Anglican, United,… and we can assure you they are quite sincere in their friendship with God, their prayers and their guidance in good faith. To disparage these good friends as “inferior” or “defective” or “not true churches nor believers,” really reflects poorly on the unjust critic himself. It is as if someone were “inventing new sins” so as to sling the proverbial mud at his neighbors. Such an attitude is ethnocentric, unproductive, and breeds intolerance. It even risks encouraging antipathy and is unlikely to get a very positive response for constructive dialogue. Seriously, I was under the impression that the goal was for more peace and understanding, was it not?
“If people would listen, we would have peace.” --Dr. Fritz Perls

Yes, peace and understanding, not compromising Truth…

In Pax Christi
Andrew

 

[StacieAdy]

I dont think so -

In the end.

If you can willfully sin with glee—

I really hope I wont be seeing ya.

Are you implying that I am not going to Heaven?

 

[Hellisreal]

Are you implying that I am not going to Heaven?

No one knows who is not going to heaven.

I imply nothing but what the bible tells us about false witness.

Do you also need chapter and verse- as 2 other so called bible only believers needed from me today that they were blissfully unaware of?

Or can you find it yourself?

 

[StacieAdy]

No one knows who is not going to heaven.

I imply nothing but what the bible tells us about false witness.

Do you also need chapter and verse- as 2 other so called bible only believers needed from me today that they were blissfully unaware of?

Or can you find it yourself?

lol, you are a sad, silly little person. (Since you are so bent on people backing their statements up, I will happily refer everyone to the other thread that you are participating in.)

Trust me, I will be in Heaven. Happily for me, I don’t need to wonder if you will be there or not, as that is not for anyone down here to decide. Thank goodness God is in control.