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Antwill
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Thanks. But what about my second point?
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RevDrNorth
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Sorry…here you go:
orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/papal_supremacy.aspx
orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/encyc_1848.aspx
orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/decretals.aspx
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(Thinking of swimming the Bosphorous)
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Mannyfit75
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Back then they have a Pope like we have now. Both recognized the authority of Bishop of Rome, or the Apostolic See which was commonly referred to at the time. Second, many of the writings of St. Clement of Rome also had a view that the Primacy of Peter and his successor were present and clear though at the time it was not defined.
The Catholic Church is the Only Church of Jesus.
Catholic teachings of moral and faith have been very consistent compared to Protestantism. Before 1930, Protestant see the use of contraception as sinful. After the 1930, they don’t think it was. From the beginning, Christianity held strong opposition to contraception. It’s a pity only the True Church of Christ maintains this teaching.
Protestants are Christians that lacks Apostolic Succession and have their lines originate from Martin Luther, John Calvin and others. It is a religion founded by man not Christ.
Catholic or Orthodox is nether an denomination. Orthodox has Local Churches who fulls under the authority of the Local bishop or Patriarch. Catholics have bishops who are in union with the Pope, this bishops also include Patriarchs from Eastern Rite Catholic Church.
Well, I can say that I have heard stories from Ex-Protestants who experience their own Protestant denomination breaking apart due to moral issues like abortion. The ministers and elder disagree on the issue, so these Churches break. THe one who disagree left his home Church and form another. He later then found one Church that date back to Jesus Christ.
Most Protestants I know do not confess or believe or claim that their Church is the One True Church. Only the Catholic Church professes this very clearly and this is affirm by Pope Benedict XVI.
It’s sad to say Protestantism is just another mankind religion founded in 1517. It isn’t founded by Jesus Christ. They lack many of the Christian traditions and only kept one, the Bible. They also distort Scripture with there Sola Scriptura Doctrine.
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sterryfamily
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RevNorth,
All the fathers of the eastern churches recognized the ACTUAL primacy of Rome, prior to the schism. There is no denying this (although the EO try). Just look at the writings of the Early Church Fathers and it is clear that any time there was a matter they needed settled, they always appealed to Rome and always obeyed the Pope’s decisions. Anyone who tells you otherwise is attempting to revise history.
All the fathers of the eastern churches recognized the ACTUAL primacy of Rome, prior to the schism. There is no denying this (although the EO try). Just look at the writings of the Early Church Fathers and it is clear that any time there was a matter they needed settled, they always appealed to Rome and always obeyed the Pope’s decisions. Anyone who tells you otherwise is attempting to revise history.
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chris_molter
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Hey, there’s always the Anglican Use if you wind up in communion with Rome
(I understand the difficulty in letting go. Aesthetically, I’m still very much an Anglican!!
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Sixtus
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Rev North posted:
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Sixtus
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Bless you Mannyfit, you contribute with all the enthusiasm as if you are like the rest of us, sitting at home in the safety of your computer room with not a care in the world.
In reality, you are there in Camp Victory Iraq doing your duty under the US flag and it is a credit to you that we are privileged to still be able to share with you.
God bless you
Ps Mods, sorry for the derailment. Back on thread now
In reality, you are there in Camp Victory Iraq doing your duty under the US flag and it is a credit to you that we are privileged to still be able to share with you.
God bless you
Ps Mods, sorry for the derailment. Back on thread now
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anthony022071
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That was actually sterryfamily’s post.
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Sixtus
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Well spotted you. Apollgies for being so tired.
God bless you
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Hellisreal
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Sixtus, would you PM me if you have time?Well spotted you. Apollgies for being so tired.
God bless you
I need some advice on a matter. (non Church matter)
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East_Anglican
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That is just not true.
The Church Fathers settled a lot of problems themselves. Also,the schism happened early on. It was between the Eastern Empire and Western empire. Religious politics played its part.
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East_Anglican
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At the level of ecclesiastical authority, it isn’t going to happen. The popes statement makes that clear.Hey, there’s always the Anglican Use if you wind up in communion with Rome
(I understand the difficulty in letting go. Aesthetically, I’m still very much an Anglican!!
I am an Anglican. I am in communion with all other Christians.
Spiritually we are one as Jesus prayed we would be. I don’t care if it doesn’t look that way. If Jesus’ prayer was not answered thhen we are all lost.
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Sixtus
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…er…sorry to both…thanks for pointing it out…apologies
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Sixtus
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His Holiness has spoken, the case is closed, there is nothing to debate
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East_Anglican
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His Holiness has said that I’m not a true Christian. I disagree most strongly. I suggest his holiness asks Jesus Christ what those marks on his feet and wrists are about. I have a covenant with Christ. He is my defence.His Holiness has spoken, the case is closed, nothing to discuss
I agree that Roman Catholics are true Christians because I’ve met enough of them who know Jesus as I know him.
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Sixtus
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East Anglican posted:
My dear East Anglican, I am not aware that is what his Holiness has said, he is not knocking your faith in Jesus Christ or your sincerity. He is merely clarifying a Scriptural statement [Mt 16:18-19] about the fact that Christ founded ‘A’ Church -singular, not 'Churches - plural.
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East_Anglican
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If that is what he said, then I agree with him. But by saying that his church is the one true Churrch he is saying Iam not in the one true Church.
Also, Jesus is building his Church singular. It is His Church not Romes church, not Englands church, not Presbyterians church, not Greeks church, but His Church!
His Church is the only one we want to be in!
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Sixtus
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East Anglican posted:
You are right, it is not the Pope’s Church, he is not the head, as you rightly point out, Christ is the Head of His Church, His holiness is the ‘servant of the servants’ but he does have authority given him by Christ to serve Christ’s Church
Now some folk take the Scriptures and say: ‘I accept this but I cannot accept that’ or I believe this bit of Christ’s teaching but not that’. We as Catholics do not have that priviledge, we have a grave obligation * to take seriously and believe everything Christ taught.*
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You are right, it is not the Pope’s Church, he is not the head, as you rightly point out, Christ is the Head of His Church, His holiness is the ‘servant of the servants’ but he does have authority given him by Christ to serve Christ’s Church
Now some folk take the Scriptures and say: ‘I accept this but I cannot accept that’ or I believe this bit of Christ’s teaching but not that’. We as Catholics do not have that priviledge, we have a grave obligation * to take seriously and believe everything Christ taught.
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Contarini
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No. He hasn’t. You might try actually reading the document in question. It nowhere says or in any way hints that Protestants are not true Christians. It simply says that Protestant communities are not churches in the strict sense.
I have problems with the implication that you can be a true Christian without being a member of a church in the strict sense. But that appears to be the current Catholic position.
Edwin
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