Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian

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graciew said:
Bitterhope, I did not put those roller eyes deliberately. I must have clicked the icon by mistake.
I can perfectly well understand that after the roller eyes,whatever one reads sounds sarcastic and rude. I do apologize wholeheartedly for that, I realized the icon was there when reading your post. I do understand you reaction,sorry.
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No hard feelings. I have teenagers (4 of them) so eye rolls are something I deal with regularly. Especially from my daughter. Perhaps I am a bit touchy about them.

It doesn’t negate anything I said though. I’m still baffled by this pope and continue to pray for enlightenment.
 
bitterhope said:
No hard feelings. I have teenagers (4 of them) so eye rolls are something I deal with regularly. Especially from my daughter. Perhaps I am a bit touchy about them.
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And I was very tired yesterday too. Take care and thank you!
 
bitterhope said:
I am really tired of trying to not only make sense of this particular pope myself but then try to explain him to others, including my children. It is long past time for him to quit these impromptu speeches. That would eliminate the media misinterpretations, the misquoting, and the nearly impossible to interpret messages in his speeches that often contain contradictions in them. I was so happy when he was elected but I now find myself struggling to respect him and trust him. Many of his impromptu remarks have been used by people in my life to hurt me personally. This is just one speech in a papacy full of unclear speeches. When the pope speaks we should not need to try to infer what he means. The message should be crystal clear.
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My own theory is that Pope Francis is just having a good ol’ time sharing his innermost thoughts with us:

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We were told not to worry about what we were to say because the Holy Spirit would give us the words we need.

So apparently Pope Francis listens.

🙂
 
Tomdstone said:
The fat cat sellers of weapons, stuff their pockets and bank accounts with millions of dollars, while the poor children and mothers are gunned down or blown up by murderous missions carried out by soldiers using these weapons,.
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I guess that’s about as objective a post as can be expected from non-Catholics like you and friardchips who twist the Holy Father’s meaning (and guidance by the Holy Spirit) to further their own political agendas.

What was your source,Tom, Saul Alinsky or the White–excuse me–Rainbow House Prayer Breakfast library on Horrible Catholic Crusaders v. Middle Age ISIS?

How is it that Pope Francis can call for international military intervention to stop ISIS without billions of arms first having to be manufactured for all those countries? You don’t address that because it would show that the Pope is not teaching pacifism. Are you asking us to believe that he wants all those arms and munitions, when not needed to fight ISIS or for national defense, to be destroyed? Or maybe locked in safes in the Socialist UK along with what’s left of the private arms belonging to the once-proud and free Englishmen.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
I’ll take that as a “yes”.

Personally, I miss the thoughfulness of Pope Benedict.
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Both a gift to the Church. And yes, Pope Benedict was a solid Pope, and good for this country (the U.K) - when he visited, he was so humble that I think the anti-Catholic atmosphere calmed down a considerable amount.

Why not pray for both. 👍🙂
 
friardchips said:
Both a gift to the Church. And yes, Pope Benedict was a solid Pope, and good for this country (the U.K) - when he visited, he was so humble that I think the anti-Catholic atmosphere calmed down a considerable amount.
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Pope Benedict was both a humble and intellectual Pope. Pope Francis is, well, something else.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Pope Benedict was both a humble and intellectual Pope. Pope Francis is, well, something else.
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He is humble or he would not be Pope.

He is intellectual or he would not be Pope.

Pope Benedict XVI said he was asked by our Creator to step down. This tells me, us, that it was divinely inspired that Pope Francis was to be Pope; consider also, that Pope Francis was in line for the papacy, when Pope Benedict XVI was chosen the time before!

If you find his words puzzling and challenging, then please seek not to find issue with him, but rather be thankful that his words challenge you! Because faith, belief, needs to be challenging, in order we don’t grow complacent and too stolid.

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friardchips said:
He is humble or he would not be Pope.

He is intellectual or he would not be Pope.

Pope Benedict XVI said he was asked by our Creator to step down. This tells me, us, that it was divinely inspired that Pope Francis was to be Pope; 🙂
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Just as an FYI, humility and intellectual capacity are not prerequisites for the Papacy. The Church has had some real doozies over the centuries on both counts.

Likewise the choice of Pope is not considered by the Church to be a working of the Holy Spirit. Rather, the man chosen by other men is protected from error.

As a case in point, look up the Borgia Popes. Corrupt, fornicating, nepotists to the core, but yet protected from binding the Church to error.

Which actually addresses another of our points, not everything a Pope says on Faith and Morals is protected from error. Alex VI certainly said (and DID) a lot that was contrary to the Faith. But he never attempted to bind his statements as Magisterial teaching.
 
Brendan said:
Just as an FYI, humility and intellectual capacity are not prerequisites for the Papacy. The Church has had some real doozies over the centuries on both counts.

Likewise the choice of Pope is not considered by the Church to be a working of the Holy Spirit. Rather, the man chosen by other men is protected from error.

As a case in point, look up the Borgia Popes. Corrupt, fornicating, nepotists to the core, but yet protected binding the Church to error.
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So, by that assertion, you are categorically (?)…stating, that when Bishops are praying for the election of the Pope - that they might vote wisely - it is not the Holy Spirit through whom they are praying?
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Pope Benedict was both a humble and intellectual Pope. Pope Francis is, well, something else.
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Francis is, I think, trying to be all things to all people to interest all people in the Church. One must be very close to God and confident in the workings of the Holy Spirit to attempt it. We must admit, nothing else seems to have worked to penetrate the Hedonistic spirit of the present age.

St. Paul: “To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak. I became all things to all men, that I might save all.”

All we can do is pray that the Pope’s gambit succeeds, and do what we can to correct those who, innocently or otherwise, try to use his words for their own purposes.
 
friardchips said:
He is humble or he would not be Pope.

He is intellectual or he would not be Pope.

Pope Benedict XVI said he was asked by our Creator to step down. This tells me, us, that it was divinely inspired that Pope Francis was to be Pope; consider also, that Pope Francis was in line for the papacy, when Pope Benedict XVI was chosen the time before!

If you find his words puzzling and challenging, then please seek not to find issue with him, but rather be thankful that his words challenge you! Because faith, belief, needs to be challenging, in order we don’t grow complacent and too stolid.
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There have been worse popes, I’ll admit. Pope Francis is a challenge for those who have dedicated their lives to defending the innocent through the manufacture of arms, among others.

But never in my lifetime have I heard a pope show such wanton disregard for prudence. I’m less puzzled by Pope Francis with each new comment from him. Some blame the media for misrepresenting him. I no longer believe that.
 
Brendan said:
But he never attempted to bind his statements as Magisterial teaching.
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And this is the one place where I give credit to Pope Francis. Even in his latest encyclical he was careful to invite debate.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
There have been worse popes, I’ll admit. Pope Francis is a challenge for those who have dedicated their lives to defending the innocent through the manufacture of arms, among others.

But never in my lifetime have I heard a pope show such wanton disregard for prudence. I’m less puzzled by Pope Francis with each new comment from him. Some blame the media for misrepresenting him. I no longer believe that.
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Brother Christian, just pray for him - we are told that choosing to do good even when the road ahead is unclear is what we care called to do: blind trust! He is our Holy Father, so be sure he is paying you the same compliment by praying for you; for all of us!

The secular media are unscrupulous. They are the wolves among the flocks. They hunt in packs and don’t tire easily. If you want to put your trust in wayward excuses of men rather than the Holy Spirit and Holy Mother Church who does guide our Pope then the media has won. They don’t care about you. They will strip you bare of your faith if it meant they could lure one more of our Lord’s sheep away from Him to further their agendas by one more step. But I would hazard a guess and state that if you were to meet the pope you would ascertain very quickly that he probably does care about you.
 
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