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Tbrightson
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Thanks for finding the text.
Exactly.
Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian
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friardchips
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You go to all the trouble of hunting down deer so that you can find food?!
You take NO pleasure whatsoever in the hunt itself?!
And what do deer go around doing, which deems it necessary to you, for individuals to go around ‘culling’ them?
Are you paid by the government or wildlife experts to take such matters into your own hands?
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gilliam
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Thanks for finding the text.
Actually, I think he is saying that those countries who make weapons are calling themselves Christian yet they are selling them for their own profit to the highest bidder and not using them to defend those who are persecuted. This is not an unusual thing for a pope to say; and something Francis has alluded to before.
Might make for a good encyclical
By the way, for those who don’t know it, the USA is the worlds largest arms merchant. I wouldn’t be surprised if he brings it up again when he is in front of the US congress.
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Tbrightson
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Perhaps that is what he should actually say then instead of making blanket judgements.
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stinkcat_14
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I would look at executives of public corporations the same way I look at government workers. In both cases, the deck is stacked in favor of the worker which can definitely result in people being overpaid. If you own a private corporation and you pay someone $1 million a year, it is clearly because you value their services at $1 million and every dollar you pay above their maximum value to the firm is a dollar that comes out of your pocket. But in the case of public corporations, you have the board of directors spending shareholder money, which by and large is not their own money. People just are not as prudent when they are spending other people’s money.
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gilliam
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Your the one saying it is a blanket judgement. He was just answering questions. If you want an encyclical or a congressional speech, you need to wait for it.
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Tbrightson
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Yes, there is the thrill of the hunt. Not my cup of tea, but if they use the meat, then I have no problem with it. In fact I wish they would do a better job around my farm; the things are like cockroaches and devour everything in site.
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Tbrightson
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Well yes thats exactly what is sounded like. And I am not the only one who feels that way. The media seems to have interpreted it that way as well.
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friardchips
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Did cavemen use guns? I didn’t think that guns had been invented at that time, and yet, evolution still occurred without guns, which must mean, that these cavemen were successful in their hunting trips!
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gilliam
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I think it is best to read more about pope Francis and also wait to see if he says more about the topic. As I already said, he has in the past and my guess is that he will in the future; this is something he cares about.
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ucfengr
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Getting off topic, but it’s pretty easy to make the case that skills required to run a multi-billion dollar company are worth a million or even several million dollars per year. Very few people have that skillset.
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friardchips
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Even if hunting beautiful animals for pleasure’s sake is sick in itself? So deer come along and devour everything on your farm? The first time I have ever read someone describing one of our Creator’s beautiful creatures as a “cockroach”!
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friardchips
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…remember, deers and cockroaches simply do what deers and cockroaches do; each human has a choice.
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SMH_2015
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My thought as well. Surely the Pope is protected by some pretty high-tech weaponry…
And as for a mis-translation…doesn’t the Vatican have a press office that issues statements in English (as well as other languages)…? Or is that up to each media source that does the reporting? Just wondering…
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SonOfMan
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Cavemen also used those spears and clubs that were intended for hunting to impale and bludgeon other cavemen in fights. If we were in cavemen times, the Pope would be condemning spears and clubs.
Even though spears and other archaic tools may still work, doesnt mean we have to use them if we have a means to be more efficient. That would be like asking you to snail mail me a letter to respond to my posts instead of using the computer to repost.
By the way, we cant blame the manufacturers for things that the users do. Like blaming Mcdonalds for making people fat, blaming alcohol for DUI’s, or gas stations for arson attacks, etc.
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Havard
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Huh??? Shooting with high-accuracy instruments such as rifles with scopes is much more painless, humane way to kill a deer than chasing it with spears or using crude slings. Deer hunters aim for the heart, and modern instruments reduce the margin of error.
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stinkcat_14
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I agree that few people have that skill set. The problem is, you have people like Carly Fiorina who did not have that skill set and still got paid millions anyway. Or Bob Nardelli. Like I said, I have no problem with the fact that they make millions, if you want to hire someone and pay them $100 million a year, I look at that as your business, not mine. But, there is a unique problem with public corporations that distorts incentives and can result in people being overpaid. It comes from the separation of ownership from control of corporations. This is exactly the same problem we have with government workers as well. Many government workers have unique skills sets that cannot be replaced with minimum wage workers. But, when the deck is stacked in their favor, it can result in a high wage being unjustifiably higher.
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Tbrightson
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Maybe for you it sick, for others, not so much.Even if hunting beautiful animals for pleasure’s sake is sick in itself? So deer come along and devour everything on your farm? The first time I have ever read someone describing one of our Creator’s beautiful creatures as a “cockroach”!
Yes Deer is a huge problem for farmers. I am putting in an apple orchard and have to fence each tree in to keep the deer off. Expensive, time consuming, and aggravating.
Cockroach as in they are everywhere.
A month ago a semi-truck hit a deer on the road at the farm, deer was flung into the mailbox and destroyed it…yes, cockroaches
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Brendan
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If my wife enjoyed shopping at the grocery store, including purchasing beef and chicken, is that unjust?
As far as what do they do that requires culling is called starvation. Here in Michigan, there about about 100,000 more deer than there was before white settlers arrived.
What spawed that population growth was farming. the ideal habitat for deer is open fields where they can feed, and small woodlots to bed down in. Settlers cleared a lot of forest and opened it up for farming.
Deer now have large open fields filled with corn on which to feed, and the population grows. But that corn is harvested in the fall, and now there are a surplus of deer than the land can support. So many more than normal would not survive the winter.
So they, are culled. The number of which are available is determined by government wildlife biologists and controlled via license sales.
So yes, this culling is done under the direction of government wildlife biologists who have determined that the license process is the most effective way of culling sufficient numbers of excess deer. The most effective way of reduction is to take a few deer in each square mile. The government does not have the resources to place several officers in every square mile where deer are overabundant, so they enlist the cooperation of hunters.
In the case of some areas, such as Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, there are few licenses sold this year. The winters have been so severe for the past two winters that larger than normal numbers of deer have perished. The number culled in the previous Falls were insufficient, so the deer herds had to compete extensively for food in harsher environments.
So the wildlife biologists have reduced the number of licenses to allow the herd to recuperate. But if they had been more properly culled, there would not have been cases where 3 deer were competing for food that was sufficient only for one. If it had been, the one would have survived, instead of all three dying of starvation,;each getting only a 1/3 of the food that it needed to survive.
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Bubba_Switzler
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It is becoming increasingly evident that Pope Francis is very selective in his judgement, or lack thereof.
I will say in his defense that while he is sharing his leftist opinion freely through the organs of the Church, he is at least inviting an open discussion.
This presents an interesting dilemma. Liberals who usually champion dissent want to demand obedience to Pope Francis while conservatives who usually demand fidelity are twisted into pretzels trying to make sense of Pope Francis.
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