Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian

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Yes. But our Lord ate a fish.

The deer is a majestic animal.

Also, the price of the deer raises questions about why it is hunted and sold. It is hunted and sold to restaurants who have to think of fancy things to eat as a delicacy (like whale meat). For me, it is along the lines of people hunting for elephants tusks or for animal fur. Things not needed. Unless you live deep in a forest, in the middle of nowhere, no one need hunt deer for food. It is about profit and sport. Why can’t people just admire their beauty, instead of having to kill everthing in sight.
 
friardchips said:
Yes. But our Lord ate a fish.

The deer is a majestic animal.

Also, the price of the deer reaises questions about why it is hunted and sold. It is hunted and sold to restaurants who have to think of fancy things to eat as a delicacy (like whale meat). For me, it is along the lines of people hunting for elephants tusks or for animal fur.
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Overpopulation is a constant problem for deer because the predators are gone from a lot of places, though they seem to be coming back as well…wolves, mountain lions. Feral hogs kill and eat fawns. Human hunting of deer has not sufficed in many places to keep them in check.

One of the consequences of overpopulation is periodic outbreaks of deer diseases which can cause horrible deaths.
 
friardchips said:
Yes. But our Lord ate a fish.

The deer is a majestic animal.

Also, the price of the deer raises questions about why it is hunted and sold. It is hunted and sold to restaurants who have to think of fancy things to eat as a delicacy (like whale meat). For me, it is along the lines of people hunting for elephants tusks or for animal fur. Things not needed. Unless you live deep in a forest, in the middle of nowhere, no one need hunt deer for food. It is about profit and sport. Why can’t people just admire their beauty, instead of having to kill everthing in sight.
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I think cows are more majestic than deer.

I recall with fondness our dairy cow “Lucy”…most gentle, nice, Holstein ever. Her “sister” Bossy, well was bossy and mean. Dad hated to do it to Lucy, but both ended up as hamburger. Thus the circle of life…

BTW, horses are purdy too, but if I had the chance I would sample horse meat. I guess the French go crazy over it…And they know their food!
 
Ridgerunner said:
Overpopulation is a constant problem for deer because the predators are gone from a lot of places, though they seem to be coming back as well…wolves, mountain lions. Feral hogs kill and eat fawns. Human hunting of deer has not sufficed in many places to keep them in check.

One of the consequences of overpopulation is periodic outbreaks of deer diseases which can cause horrible deaths.
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That’s quite an informative post. Mountain lions, in the U.S? You have wolves too?! The most dangerous animals on view that we have in the U.K, seem to be humans, after pub hours! 😃 They try to get run over when I drive past on safari.
 
Brendan said:
And lamb, that was the required Passover meal.
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Sure. And bullocks.

Fish, Bullocks. Lambs. All meat really is okay, as St. Paul said. But I think deer are special. Stags are so majestic. If you have a need to cull then I get the point, or desparate for food, again. But outside of that…and anyway, the bullocks and the lambs were for particular symbolic reasons. Never just to kill for the sake of it.
 
friardchips said:
That’s quite an informative post. Mountain lions, in the U.S? You have wolves too?! The most dangerous animals on view that we have in the U.K, seem to be humans, after pub hours! 😃 They try to get run over when I drive past on safari.
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Most assuredly there are mountain lions and wolves in the U.S. Both are increasing in their numbers and range. Also feral hogs, which some regard as even more dangerous than the aforementioned two. Of course, in the Rocky Mountains, there are grizzly bears as well. Black bears are nearly everywhere.

There are no few drunks, of course.
 
Tbrightson said:
I think cows are more majestic than deer.

I recall with fondness our dairy cow “Lucy”…most gentle, nice, Holstein ever. Her “sister” Bossy, well was bossy and mean. Dad hated to do it to Lucy, but both ended up as hamburger. Thus the circle of life…

BTW, horses are purdy too, but if I had the chance I would sample horse meat. I guess the French go crazy over it…And they know their food!
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Horses have long time memories, apparently. If you eat a horse, the rest will take it out on everyone else. They have a sense of their history of how they’ve been treated. I imagine dolphins have the same. And whales. Possibly deer. Cows are supposed to be intelligent. My condolences over Lucy. People form attachments to animals that I think go both ways -animals grow to love us in their own way too. Because we have so many cows here we tend to think they are more expendible. Maybe it is the same for americans and their deer?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Most assuredly there are mountain lions and wolves in the U.S. Both are increasing in their numbers and range. Also feral hogs, which some regard as even more dangerous than the aforementioned two. Of course, in the Rocky Mountains, there are grizzly bears as well. Black bears are nearly everywhere.

There are no few drunks, of course.
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The Irish in times long gone sure picked a hazardous place to settle. I wonder why these preditors are on the increase. It might be because of the lack of indigenous people living in those areas? I am guessing. Wild pigs are lethal. I think it would be a tough fight between a mountain lion and a feral hog. The lion would win though. Hog, second. Wolf, third. IMO. Bears would win overall, especially with a gun. I thought black bears were in Canada not the U.S! You really do have a lot to contend with. I feel sorry for the Moose. They are a bit out on a limb, aren’t they.
 
friardchips said:
Sure. And bullocks.

Fish, Bullocks. Lambs. All meat really is okay, as St. Paul said. But I think deer are special. Stags are so majestic. If you have a need to cull then I get the point, or desparate for food, again. But outside of that…and anyway, the bullocks and the lambs were for particular symbolic reasons. Never just to kill for the sake of it.
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Hunting for sport rather than necessity, such as food, is forbidden by Torah law.
 
friardchips said:
Cows are supposed to be intelligent.
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Nope. I was raised on a dairy farm. If God created a dumber animal, I have yet to meet it.
Because we have so many cows here we tend to think they are more expendible. Maybe it is the same for americans and their deer?
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Possibly, as I mentioned in a previous post, there are certainly no shortage of them around here, and even in my suburban backyard, I have had the ‘privilege’ of encountering rotting deer carcasses in the spring. Not exactly a ‘majestic’ experience,:eek:

A Detroit suburb might have some great gardens during the fall, but it does not exactly offer much in the way of food choices for a deer during the winter. It would have served everyone better if it had died a quick death and ended up as steak in my freezer.

But you cannot even bow hunt in most suburbs. 😦
 
Sarcelle said:
So are Catholics who work at any of the defense industries obligated to quit their jobs?:confused:

Is this an excommunication of sorts?
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The pope has a tendency to talk and shoot from the hip, without really considering the implications that this will have for the dignity of his office.

This is not a new teaching. It is an emotional outburst.
 
Tomdstone said:
As it should be. BTW, would you have a passage from the Torah for this?
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The prohibition goes under the heading of cruelty toward animals and is found in several passages of the Torah and the Talmud: in Exodus and Deuteronomy, for example. In addition, pets must be fed first before their owners and they too must rest on the Sabbath. And animals that are slaughtered must be done so with the sharpest knife, which has no nicks, so as to inflict the least pain (similar to food preparation according to Islamic belief). You can do the research, if you wish, on the Internet: Judaism 101 is one good source.
 
My house sits on a two acre lot backed up by heavy woods.

One evening we had 28 deer in our back yard.

This is not a healthy herd. Such conditions breed disease and small body weight animals.

Healthy does naturally give birth to twin fawns. Rarely do we see does with twins. When deer lack food they will often adsorb one twin and only give birth to one. When twins are born in unhealthy herds one often starves because it cannot get enough nourishment from the mother.

Killing deer to thin the herd is humane. We do not have a blood lust.

I use a crossbow. Very quick, very silent.

I have an 8 foot tall fence around my garden. My fig trees are fenced in. When I harvest my wild grapes there are none at ground level so I have to use a ladder to reach the ripe ones. I am repopulating my property with seedling oaks since the developer cut down the trees 3 or 4 decades ago to make pasture. I have to fence in the seedlings to keep the deer from eating them. They like fresh young leaves.
 
friardchips said:
Along time ago, before I grew a conscience, I tasted venison, and it was a tough meat, and expensive (!!!).

You know that a stag is used in the Song of Songs as a symbol of sacredness?

(YES - HOLY SCRIPTURE).
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Venison is the cheapest meat for my family, though I do prefer the taste of beef. It cost us about $150 in processing fee for enough ground venison to last our family a year. That amount of ground beef would be over $400. I’m thankful for the food God provides for our family. God gave us deer as much more than just a magnificent animal.
 
friardchips said:
That’s quite an informative post. Mountain lions, in the U.S? You have wolves too?! The most dangerous animals on view that we have in the U.K, seem to be humans, after pub hours! 😃 They try to get run over when I drive past on safari.
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Mountain lions arent really lions, they are brown leopard sized cats also called cougars or puma and they are native only to the Americas.We also have wolves and pretty much every animal found in the European continent. The Uk killed most of its bigger naimals a long itme ago. I think your biggest predator is a fox and most dangerous reintroduced wild boar?
 
friardchips said:
Along time ago, before I grew a conscience, I tasted venison, and it was a tough meat, and expensive (!!!).

You know that a stag is used in the Song of Songs as a symbol of sacredness?

(YES - HOLY SCRIPTURE).
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It was not cooked properly then. Venison his very lean and must be cooked differently than even the leanest beef.

The best way to treat venison to obtain worthy table fare is to dry age it after cleaning and skinning it in a big commercial refrigerator like many processors have. The natural enzymes in the meat actually begin to break the meat down. Aging is used in prime beef cuts.

Also, the taste is affected by how fast you can get the deer cleaned and skinned. The faster the meat cools the better the taste.

More than you wanted to know, I suppose.
 
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