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friardchips
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:doh2: We don’t have enough countryside. Too much development. What is the point of reintroducing wild animals?!
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boar2roar
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There are no wolves yet and I sincerely doubt there ever will be. The Uk is a place that treatsa tiny fox like a dangerous dragon when hunting it and has cameras monitoring most of the country. They arent going to tolerate a large and potentialy dangerous predator like a wolf.
meltzerboy
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Well, then how do you explain the American Werewolf in London?
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mikekle
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I believe that was penned at a time when wolves were more plentiful in the UK.
meltzerboy
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I was just joking, but maybe your explanation is correct. Thanks.
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boar2roar
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Its not just the UK western European countries in general are famous for wagging their finger and criticizng the “third world” for not saving their animals while at the same time killing and preventing any reintroduction. Like Germany which just wasnt big enough for one bear that was killed almost instantly.
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Sarcelle
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Grizzlies are as fast as race horses. They are also more aggressive.
In my book they are more dangerous than black bears.
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friardchips
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10gr8kids
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Considering the number of rabbits we’d have to kill, probably about the same due to high cost of ammo, but I doubt I’d be able to find enough to sustain us. After the first year there probably wouldn’t be a breeding pair left on my little mountain top. Not to mention the amount of time that would have to be invested.
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Brendan
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No Grizzlies are the most dangerous of three you mentioned.
As I tell my scouts when we are off on hikes.
"First of all, when hiking in the woods, wear a noise maker, such as a bell, so the bear is not surprised by your arrival. Also, carry pepper spray to discourage the bear.
Black bears in the area can be noted by their droppings, it would be somewhat large, and contain berry seeds, as they are mostly herbivores
Grizzly stools, on the other hand, will be larger still, and often contain bells and smell of pepper spray…"
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Brendan
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Not enough rabbit near us ( coyotes get them), but there are squirrel. It takes a good bakers dozen or so to feed our family.
And that much 22LR would run a lot more that the cost of a minie ball for my muzzleloader.
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Eddie_Mac
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We live 2 miles outside of town in a developed subdivision with 2 - 4 acre lots surrounded by woods and partially wooded ranches. We own 2 lots totaling 5 acres with stands of oaks, cedar elms, mexican sycamores, cedar, and pecan trees. We have mountain lions, bobcats, coyotes, wild feral hogs, beaver, river otter, armadillos, deer, foxes, squirrels, raccoons, possum, snakes of all kinds, and birds galore. The mountain lions are rare but my neighbor saw a bobcat last week on my property. The river otters are in our shared 3 acre pond right now. Beautiful creatures and they are welcome to eat all the fish they want.
I think maybe the difference in perception comes partly with the territory. I have looked at maps of the U.S. and a lot of the U.S seems to be built up areas in amongst really wild natural habitat. A strange thing. In the U.K, we have villages in rural areas, but the cities or towns are not in amongst very wild habitat. So we might get an ant or snail politely nod as it skittles past, and obviously cats and dogs, birds - not many eagles, the odd rabbit or squirrel, but as a rule, not large creatures. Very, very different. I can’t imagine if people were allowed guns here.
Do you think maybe the U.S. has a bigger problem with the idea of less gun usage because of a kind of (excuse the cliched term) cowboy-esque lifestyle / history of your people, due to living in amongst wild habitat - along with the obvious factor of gun liences and tight government enforcement over the country - as I do believe that people have a natural (and also do develop) relationship with their environments?
To tell you the truth, the cowboy culture might have been a factor at one time but not so much anymore at least here. It is a freedom thing. For the most part in rural areas people grow up with firearms and use them as tools. I was derided on here for referring to my pistol as a tool but that is all it is to me. I am pretty much armed all the time with a pistol on me or nearby, They do get in the way when doing work and getting them dirty requires cleaning.
I keep a .22 rimfire, 2 - 12 ga shotguns (one with game loads, one with 00 buckshot), a .223 semi auto (not an AR) with holographic sight with magazines locked in with chambers empty. These the shotguns are tactical shotguns. Every now and then something comes along that annoys me like water moccasins or rattlesnakes that infringe on my world. If they stay in their world I leave them alone. Coyotes and wild hogs are the main nemesis. The county pays a bounty on these as they do damage the cattle and other livestock. I have had wild hogs come after me and it ain’t fun. Bears were mentioned here but if anyone has not dealt with an angry 300 lb boar they have not lived.
We have a culture of loving our freedom. The big urban areas are anti-gun politically but there are still freedom loving men and women in the cities. All of the neighbors here are the same. I open carry often. I have spoken with sheriff deputies while carrying on my property. Never has any LEO ever cared because they know we are the really good guys. Statistics prove it.
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Eddie_Mac
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My wife and I were vacationing in British Colombia, Canada with my dad and stepmother. We were in a B&B near Whistler out in the boonies and me, my wife and dad went for a walk. The B&B owner told us to watch for bears. We had gone 100 yards or so and my dad stopped and asked me if I was worried about the bears. I told him no, that the only person I had to out run was him.
Old joke but true.
He turned and went back to the B&B.
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DMIMS
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I respect the office, The Chair of Peter. I do know that Jesuits are liberals, what I’ve experienced. I miss Ratzinger. Please help us Holy Spirit
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Brendan
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Could be, but ownership of firearms would be part of a rural lifestyle.o you think maybe the U.S. has a bigger problem with the idea of less gun usage because of a kind of (excuse the cliched term) cowboy-esque lifestyle / history of your people, due to living in amongst wild habitat - along with the obvious factor of gun liences and tight government enforcement over the country - as I do believe that people have a natural (and also do develop) relationship with their environments?
I grew up in Ireland, on a dairy farm in Mayo.
My grandmother was a crack shot with a shotgun, picking off crow or fox as the need arose.
My cousins in Ireland are actually still rather well armed. The only difference is that I have more handguns. On the other hand, they can purchase sound suppressors ( often erroneously called ‘silencers’ ) very easily. Having the sound cut in half is considered to be neighbourly. Over hear, it requires a Federal permit that is difficult and expensive to get.
But that is in the rural West, I imagine very few in Dublin have hunting rifles.
But on most of those farmers in the rural villages almost certainly have shotgun permits, at the very least. It is simply part of running a farm.
And like Eddie noted, larger lots are more common here than in the UK, at least in the Midwest. I live in a suburb of Detroit on a 3 acre lot, about an acre and a half is woodlot. Kind of the equivalent of living on the outskirts of Birmingham, about a half hour drive into the city centre.
On my property, we too see a lot of deer, coyote, raccoon, possum, etc… We keep chickens in the backyard, and have to make sure they are securely locked, or else they would fall victim to either the coyotes or the raccoons. We even had a coyote sniffing around one evening when my then 3 year old was outside playing. My older son went to retrieve him, but the coyote followed them. I went out with one of my pistols and a baseball bat, but it ran off when I growled at it. No shots fired. But I certainly would have to save my son from an attack.
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Tbrightson
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My brother used to raise meat rabbits…New Zealand Whites…he did the raisin, killin and skinnin. Sold all he could raise. Was teenager at the time…very industrious, was good trapper also… I could tell you a funny story when he dispatched a rabbit with a rail spike pry bar…but I would ruffle feathers here.
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oddmaude
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Maybe I should start a new thread about this, but I’d be interested in hearing from others as to what their impressions are about Pope Francis’s troublesome relationship with the media.
There always seems to be an explanation, like comments being taken out of context or translation errors, but I don’t believe there’s ever been another Pope with the ability to create so much havoc every other time he opens his mouth.
Is it him, speaking imprudently? Is it satan, creating confusion and discord? Are the media and public creating the controversies out of nothing? Where is this all coming from???!!!
He has a very different relationship with the media from any of his predecessors and it is perplexing. I’ve come to dread seeing anything about him in the mainstream press, because it’s usually accompanied by an uproar that focuses the world on falsehoods and reaffirms misconceptions about the Catholic Church.
There always seems to be an explanation, like comments being taken out of context or translation errors, but I don’t believe there’s ever been another Pope with the ability to create so much havoc every other time he opens his mouth.
Is it him, speaking imprudently? Is it satan, creating confusion and discord? Are the media and public creating the controversies out of nothing? Where is this all coming from???!!!
He has a very different relationship with the media from any of his predecessors and it is perplexing. I’ve come to dread seeing anything about him in the mainstream press, because it’s usually accompanied by an uproar that focuses the world on falsehoods and reaffirms misconceptions about the Catholic Church.
Suudy
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Nearly ever state has “damage hunts” or “damage permits” to keep deer population down. Rather than hire people or companies to cull the excess deer, many state grant permits to individual hunters to take deer normally not available. In live in eastern WA state–the Palouse. It is some of the richest farmland in the world (if you listen to the local farmers, it is THE richest). Every year the state assesses deer populations and the damage they do to crops, and every single year I’ve been hunting (about 23 years), they’ve issued damage permits for each of the Palouse game management units (GMUs). And just a quick search revealed several states with similar permits.
It is quite common, and the deer are quite destructive.
Suudy
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Here in WA, there are several types of damage hunts/permits. Before getting into that, I’ll tell the history of hunting in WA as I learned it from my father as he learned it from his father.
When WA was still a territory, game was pretty much unregulated. At the beginning of the 20th century, a couple of decades into WA’s statehood, the state decided to require hunting licenses. Farmers ignored the licenses since it was on their own land. The state didn’t take kindly to this and started to arrest farmers. The farmers fought their conviction and the cases went to the WA state supreme court. The farmers lost and the state asserted its ownership of game. The farmers then sued the state for loss of their crops, for if game belonged to the state, and the game damaged crops, then the state was liable for that loss. In the end, the state agreed to a compromise:
- The landowner would not hunt, or allow hunting, on his land in exchange for remuneration of damage by game.
- The landowner would open their land to hunting by the public in exchange for damage hunts to cull the game population.
- The landowner would not hold the state liable for damage and in exchange only the landowner and his direct family could hunt the land
- The landowner would not hold the state liable for damage, and he state would send it its own game management teams to manage the population
There are experts in both government and private organizations on wildlife, and they work together. The “culling” you speak of isn’t some redneck’s arbitrary decision. It is a managed resource like any other.
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