Pope: Science cannot fully understand the mystery of man

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Pope: Science cannot fully understand the mystery of man

Vatican City, Jan 28, 2008 / 11:15 am (CNA).- A joyful Pope Benedict spoke this morning with academics gathered at the Vatican to study the human person. While applauding their efforts, he also told them that science is not capable of fully understanding the mystery of human beings.
The inter-academic conference entitled “The changeable identity of the individual”, is the collaborative effort of the “Academie des Sciences de Paris” and by the Pontifical Academy of Science.
In our time, the Pope told the scholars, “the exact sciences, both natural and human, have made prodigious advances in their understanding of man and his universe”. However at the same time "there is a strong temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”

Contrary to the Darwinian concept of man, Pope Benedict said that “man is not the result of mere chance, of converging circumstances, of determinism, of chemical inter-reactions.”

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Not yet anyhow.

Nohome
How daringly provocative of you! My, my, you are just so rebellious! It’s so cool how you use a witty retort to flaunt your renounced Catholicism. Because that’s what you’re doing, right? It’s not enough to turn your back on the Faith. You have to let everyone know it! You are just so cool!
 
Vatican, Jan. 28, 2008 (CWNews.com) - At a private audience on January 28, Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) urged a group of scientists and ethicists “to ensure that science does not become the criterion of good, that man is still respected as the center of creation, and that he does not become the object of ideological manipulation, arbitrary decisions, or abuses.”

The Holy Father was speaking to participants in a conference co-sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Science with the Academie des Sciences de Paris. The group was meeting in Rome this week to discuss the question of human identity, and the Pope saluted their interdisciplinary approach to the question.


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How do you think the evolutionists will like this?

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I love this Pope! I constantly get support by reading his speeches.

Peace

Tim
 
Contrary to the Darwinian concept of man, Pope Benedict said that “man is not the result of mere chance, of converging circumstances, of determinism, of chemical inter-reactions.”
Buffalo,

As Barbarian has pointed out in another thread, the first part of this quote is not from the Holy Father. The writer of the news article added the “Contrary to the Darwinian concept of man,” part. I think it is misleading to include that in a citation as if it was something the Pope said.

Peace

Tim
 
Pope: Science cannot fully understand the mystery of man

Vatican City, Jan 28, 2008 / 11:15 am (CNA).- A joyful Pope Benedict spoke this morning with academics gathered at the Vatican to study the human person. While applauding their efforts, he also told them that science is not capable of fully understanding the mystery of human beings.
The inter-academic conference entitled “The changeable identity of the individual”, is the collaborative effort of the “Academie des Sciences de Paris” and by the Pontifical Academy of Science.
In our time, the Pope told the scholars, “the exact sciences, both natural and human, have made prodigious advances in their understanding of man and his universe”. However at the same time "there is a strong temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”

Contrary to the Darwinian concept of man, Pope Benedict said that “man is not the result of mere chance, of converging circumstances, of determinism, of chemical inter-reactions.”

more…
The Vatican: Holy See has Pope Benedict XVI speech** To participants in the inter-academic Colloquium on “L’identité changeante de l’individu” sponsored by the Académie des Sciences of Paris and by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences **that was given January 28, 2008. Zenit Net is the official Vatican:Holy See website (The World Seen From Rome) that reports the news to the public. This website gives more accurate information in my opinion. Here is the article:

PONTIFF: KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSON BEYOND SCIENCE - Tells Researchers Progress Should Be Progress of Love(ZE08012804 - 2008-01-28)
VATICAN CITY, JAN. 28, 2008 (Zenit.org).-

*Science cannot determine who man is, where he comes from or where he goes, Benedict XVI says. Thus, the most important knowledge is the knowledge of the human person.

The Pope affirmed this today when he received in audience participants in an interacademic conference titled “The Changeable Identity of the Individual,” promoted by the Academy of Sciences of Paris and the Pontifical Academy of Science.

In his address to them, the Holy Father first expressed his joy at their interacademic collaboration which, he said, “opens the way to vast and ever more profound multidisciplinary research.”

In our time, he said, “the exact sciences, both natural and human, have made prodigious advances in their understanding of man and his universe.” However, he continued, “there is a strong temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”

The Pope continued: “In order to avoid going down this path, it is important not to ignore anthropological, philosophical and theological research, which highlight and maintain the mystery of human beings, because no science can say who they are, where they come from and where they go. The knowledge of human beings is then, the most important of all forms of knowledge.”

“Human beings always stand beyond what can be scientifically seen or perceived,” the Pontiff affirmed. “To overlook the question of man’s ‘being’ inevitably leads to refusing the possibility of research into the objective truth of being …] and, effectively, to an incapacity to recognize the foundation upon which human dignity rests, from the embryo until natural death.”

Otherness

Benedict XVI said the participants in the conference, “starting from the question of the new being, who is produced by a fusion of cells and who bears a new and specific genetic heritage,” had highlighted certain “essential elements in the mystery of man.”

Man, the Pope explained, is "characterised by his otherness. He is a being created by God, a being in the image of God, a being who is loved and is made to love. As a human he is never closed within himself. He is always a bearer of otherness and, from his origins, is in interaction with other human beings.

“Man is not the result of mere chance, of converging circumstances, of determinism, of chemical inter-reactions. Man is a being who enjoys a freedom which …] transcends his nature and is a sign of the mystery of otherness that dwells within him.”

“This freedom, which is characteristic of human beings, means they can guide their lives to a goal,” the Holy Father said. And it “highlights how man’s existence has a meaning. In the exercise of his authentic freedom, the individual realises his vocation, he is fulfilled and gives form to his deepest identity.”

“Human beings have the specific ability of discerning what is good,” the Pope concluded. “In our own time, when the progress of the sciences attracts and seduces for the possibilities it offers, it is more necessary than ever to educate the consciences of our contemporaries to ensure that science does not become the criterion of good, that man is still respected as the centre of creation, and that he does not become the object of ideological manipulation, arbitrary decisions, or abuses.”

“All scientific progress,” he affirmed, “should be also a progress of love, called to put itself at the service of man and humanity, and to offer its contribution to the building up of the identity of persons.”*
Here is the Pope’s speech in French and Italian in the Vatican:Holy See:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/january/index_en.htm
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/january/index_en.htm
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Buffalo,

As Barbarian has pointed out in another thread, the first part of this quote is not from the Holy Father. The writer of the news article added the “Contrary to the Darwinian concept of man,” part. I think it is misleading to include that in a citation as if it was something the Pope said.

Peace

Tim
Just use the “” portion then. I think it is pretty clear where the quote starts in the paragraph.
 
Not yet anyhow.

Nohome
Not ever. Science is the discipline known as “Natural Philosophy”. That is why Chemists and Physicists get degrees in Philosophy ( PhD) vs. Engineers, who get D.E. ( Doctor of Engineering)

Natural Philosophy studies the Natural world. That is it’s job, that is what it does well.

But the human creature is more than “nature”, we are also spiritual creatures, we are SUPER-natural.

For Science to fully understand mankind means that it is, by definition, no longer Science.
 
Just use the “” portion then. I think it is pretty clear where the quote starts in the paragraph.
I understand that you were not claiming that the Pope included those words, but some people may get the impression that that is what the Pope said.

Peace

Tim
 
I understand that you were not claiming that the Pope included those words, but some people may get the impression that that is what the Pope said.

Peace

Tim
We’re cool then. :extrahappy:
 
Not ever. Science is the discipline known as “Natural Philosophy”. That is why Chemists and Physicists get degrees in Philosophy ( PhD) vs. Engineers, who get D.E. ( Doctor of Engineering)
Do you have a PhD? Are you sure about what it means? Having sat on the committee of many PhD candidates for Civil Engineering, I can assure you they didn’t receive a D.E. They were all awared a PhD. (There are a few schools that differentiate degrees, but they are the minority) PhD is just a title, a terminal degree in an academic dicipline. It has nothing to do with what they will learn or discover in the future.
Natural Philosophy studies the Natural world. That is it’s job, that is what it does well.

But the human creature is more than “nature”, we are also spiritual creatures, we are SUPER-natural.

For Science to fully understand mankind means that it is, by definition, no longer Science.
Science will continue to chip away at the “super natural”. This is not a threat to religon, just part of the discovery process. A process of demystification if you will. Never is a very long time, I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss what science will eventually understand.

Nohome
 
Science will continue to chip away at the “super natural”. This is not a threat to religon, just part of the discovery process. A process of demystification if you will. Never is a very long time, I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss what science will eventually understand.
No one is dismissing the potential to discover and learn. Pope Benedict simply said "there is a strong temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”

Pope Benedict’s words came at a very perfect time for me. A psych. class I’m taking isn’t exactly tempting me but I sure did appreciate the affirmation. Thank you God - Thank you Pope Benedict XVI :gopray:
 
Pope Benedict simply said "there is a strong temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”
Here, I would disagree with the pope. The scientists I know would never dream of enclosing anything within the limits of what is known on any topic. This would be the case in any scientific discipline. Good science isn’t about what you know, it’s about what you don’t know and seek to know.

Nohome
 
Here, I would disagree with the pope. The scientists I know would never dream of enclosing anything within the limits of what is known on any topic. This would be the case in any scientific discipline. Good science isn’t about what you know, it’s about what you don’t know and seek to know.
I don’t understand your disagreement with Pope Benedict XVI. His is simply reminding us to resist the strong " temptation to circumscribe human identity and enclose it with the limits of what is known.”
Again 🤷 - Pope Benedict XVI is not repressing science and discovery.
 
Do you have a PhD? Are you sure about what it means? Having sat on the committee of many PhD candidates for Civil Engineering, I can assure you they didn’t receive a D.E. They were all awared a PhD. (There are a few schools that differentiate degrees, but they are the minority) PhD is just a title, a terminal degree in an academic dicipline. It has nothing to do with what they will learn or discover in the future.

Science will continue to chip away at the “super natural”. This is not a threat to religon, just part of the discovery process. A process of demystification if you will. Never is a very long time, I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss what science will eventually understand.

Nohome
Science will never chip away at the supernatural. It can say nothing about the supernatural.
 
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