Pope to make universal indult for the Old Mass

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Good news but I am not sure about how it will be implemented. The bishops could still forbid the diocisan priests from saying it in their “territories”. This is what has happened with the Latin NO Mass in Galveston-Houston. Our current Archbishop only allows it to be said “with permission” and he has only granted permission for two Masses (one in each of two Churches) each Sunday.

There would have to be some pretty strong language that not only gives permission to the priests but constrains the Bishops from forbidding it. The priests owe obedience to their bishops and would be in an impossible position. I don’t think it is likely that we will have this kind of language because the Vatican doesn’t usually tell the Bishops what they can and cannot tell their priests.

I think the result will be more TLMasses being said in dioceses where the TLM is already welcomed and little or no difference in dioceses where the TLM is unwelcome. There might be more TLMasses said by order priests, though who don’t owe direct obedience to the Bishop - just needing faculties to say Mass in the diocese.
 
This is of course a Prediction, not an actual report of what will happen.

Certainly it could happen, Pope Benedict could give an universal indult for a Latin mass, but the priests would still have to know how to say the mass, the boys and girls would still need to know how to serve the mass, and the people would still have to want to hear that particular mass.

A lot of contigencies here, but the story is still developing and may not come down. And even if it does come down, it may have less impact than some lat(name removed by moderator)hiles are predicting.
 
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SummaTheo:
He is supposed to do it this October at the Synod. I am so happy now, but I hope priests who say the Old Mass now how to say it instead of being forced by his parishoners.

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IF His Holiness does it, it’s only because he’s and The bishops of the SSPX are on the road to a full reconciliation (or at least that’s my hope).

I can only say that this is a great thing. The SSPX has been on the frontlines in the fight for Tradition without a whole lot of support.

A reconciliation with the SSPX would undoubtedly be a great thing for the Church.
 
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Kielbasi:
This is of course a Prediction, not an actual report of what will happen.

Certainly it could happen, Pope Benedict could give an universal indult for a Latin mass, but the priests would still have to know how to say the mass, the boys and girls would still need to know how to serve the mass, and the people would still have to want to hear that particular mass.

A lot of contigencies here, but the story is still developing and may not come down. And even if it does come down, it may have less impact than some lat(name removed by moderator)hiles are predicting.
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And of course the American Bishops will have to not override it.

I will believe it when the TLM is said at my parish. We have the priest, the Altar servers (men) and the congregation who want it.

I’m not holding my breath.
 
The TLM was celebrated this pst Friday at the AveMaria School of Law… so very comforting.

I will post the homily as soon as I can… among the most profound statements on the liturgy I have ever heard.
 
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MrS:
The TLM was celebrated this pst Friday at the AveMaria School of Law… so very comforting.

I will post the homily as soon as I can… among the most profound statements on the liturgy I have ever heard.
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MrS,

Was this open to the public or only school personnel? Who was the celebrant?

Thanks,
Michael
 
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Dropper:
IF His Holiness does it, it’s only because he’s and The bishops of the SSPX are on the road to a full reconciliation (or at least that’s my hope).

I can only say that this is a great thing. The SSPX has been on the frontlines in the fight for Tradition without a whole lot of support.

A reconciliation with the SSPX would undoubtedly be a great thing for the Church.
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The SSPX is a schismatic sect that is separated from the Church. I put my support behind the FSSP - Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri, a group that stayed loyal to the Church while also supporting the Tridentine Mass.
 
That article is purely speculative. Sources say… who are the sources… and how does the professor at the university know what the pope is going to do? While it is good to write positive articles, you must do so based on facts with evidence.
 
Why is the Tridentine Mass not allowed? lol, newb question indeed but my religion class doesn’t cover that until later. Anyone care for a brief synopsis 🙂
 
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canadianlife:
Why is the Tridentine Mass not allowed? lol, newb question indeed but my religion class doesn’t cover that until later. Anyone care for a brief synopsis 🙂
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In some places there is no desire for it. Or at least not enough apparent interest for the bishop to grant it. In others the bishops are incredibly hostile and go above and beyond to keep it away from the people who want it.

James
 
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canadianlife:
Why is the Tridentine Mass not allowed? lol, newb question indeed but my religion class doesn’t cover that until later. Anyone care for a brief synopsis 🙂
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There are potentially several reasons/concerns given the (arch)diocese:

1.) Not enough interest.

2.) Potential for devisivenss.

3.) Priests reluctant to celebrate the Tridentine.

4.) Difficulty in determining which parish(es) are allowed the Tridentine in order to best service the faithful of the (arch)diocese.

5.) Opening-up more even more potential for liturgical abuse.

6.) Fear of upsetting the status quo (a NON-issue in my book) and those that rule it.
 
I hope so much that all this pans out. After his meeting with the Pope, Bishop Fellay of the SSPX said he didn’t think the universal indult would be granted because of the difficult situation that the Pope is in, but that he did expect a liberalization of permission to say the Mass.

The Children of the Church long for the day when the Traditional Latin Mass will be universally available!
 
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SummaTheo:
He is supposed to do it this October at the Synod. I am so happy now, but I hope priests who say the Old Mass now how to say it instead of being forced by his parishoners.
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This comment shows what is wrong with people with this mindset.

The Mass is for the community, not the priest. If the community perfers the normative Missal of the Roman Catholic Church then who is the priest to tell them no and to celebrate the “Tridentine” Mass?

As far as I know, any priest may celebrate the “Old” Mass privately if he wishes, the Indult is for public celebration.
 
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kmktexas:
Good news but I am not sure about how it will be implemented. The bishops could still forbid the diocisan priests from saying it in their “territories”. This is what has happened with the Latin NO Mass in Galveston-Houston. Our current Archbishop only allows it to be said “with permission” and he has only granted permission for two Masses (one in each of two Churches) each Sunday.

There would have to be some pretty strong language that not only gives permission to the priests but constrains the Bishops from forbidding it. The priests owe obedience to their bishops and would be in an impossible position. I don’t think it is likely that we will have this kind of language because the Vatican doesn’t usually tell the Bishops what they can and cannot tell their priests.

I think the result will be more TLMasses being said in dioceses where the TLM is already welcomed and little or no difference in dioceses where the TLM is unwelcome. There might be more TLMasses said by order priests, though who don’t owe direct obedience to the Bishop - just needing faculties to say Mass in the diocese.
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How could the bishop do that?? According to the GIRM no priest is forbidden to say the NO mass in Latin.
 
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msproule:
MrS,

Was this open to the public or only school personnel? Who was the celebrant?

Thanks,
Michael
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Yes it was open to the public, but not widely advertised… probably due to space limitations.

Celebrant was Fr. Chad Rubberger(?)… just saw his picture in the latest LatinMass mag.

The homily was not recorded… but I am working on getting a copy.
 
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